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Europe/Other : Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

 

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02 Oct 2019
06:23:29pm
I have just obtained my last few pieces for my plate number collection "Landscapes 1939".
Stamps with plate numbers where printed in a very large sheet. This sheet consisted of 4 separate connecting sheets. 50 stamps/100stamps/50/100. The Pl.Nr. is always on the the left bottom of each sheet.

I completed album pages today for the 50 heller stamp from 1939 Castle Karlstein and would like to share these with you.

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These are all the Plate Nr.for the 50 heller. I will ad and share the next stamp when I am finished with next pages.
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02 Oct 2019
11:41:14pm
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Beautiful, thanks Opa....

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03 Oct 2019
07:22:57am
re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

This is the 40 heller. Klingenberg or Castle Zvikov founded ca. 1226-1233.

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All complete Pl. Nr. for this stamp.

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03 Oct 2019
11:27:03am
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FABULOUS Opa

I have always loved the selvage on B&M stamps. Nice to see such a great grouping of them.

In discussing the production of these stamps, we speak of the SHEET, which contained the 4 PANES of stamps.

Again, lovely to see, and thanks for sharing.

David

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03 Oct 2019
01:13:22pm
re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

Thank you David for clarifying sheet and pane. Sometimes it´s difficult to find the right translation from German to English. for example if I take the word pane and look at it in the Philatelic Translator I come up with the German word "Blatt". This literally translates to leaf. We use the word H-Blatt (H stands for Heftchen, Booklet) to say Booklet Pane which is only part of the H-Bogen (Booklet sheet)and these only have 1 plate number.

That being said, if you call this part of the large sheet a pane in English I will have to copy this into my book. However if I take it from a stand point of a specialist, (I´m not), I would make the objection that each of the 4 Panes have their own separate plate number. Would this not make them separate sheets?

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04 Oct 2019
10:11:27am
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Manfred,

you brought up some good comments I hadn't considered. Pane can refer to both the four individual large panes from a sheet as well as much smaller units, such as the booklet pane, to which you refer. Thanks for adding that.

In US production, each sheet's panes have the same Plate Number(s), so each pane should be essentially identical, except for the position of the PN(s) and the cut lines and straight edges (if present). Most of this refers to older stamps, prior to the self-adhesive state.

B&M production may be quite different; can you, or someone else, show a copy of the 4-different PNs on the 4 panes of a sheet. I am not arguing, just curious.

I am not a specialist either, but do collect all of Czech and related.

David


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04 Oct 2019
12:21:03pm
re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

Here is a picture from the Michel.

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04 Oct 2019
04:02:45pm
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Here is the next one, Mi. 27, 60 heller. Kuttenburg.

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05 Oct 2019
11:49:58am
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Found these pictures of complete panes in a old Special.

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02 Oct 2019
06:23:29pm

I have just obtained my last few pieces for my plate number collection "Landscapes 1939".
Stamps with plate numbers where printed in a very large sheet. This sheet consisted of 4 separate connecting sheets. 50 stamps/100stamps/50/100. The Pl.Nr. is always on the the left bottom of each sheet.

I completed album pages today for the 50 heller stamp from 1939 Castle Karlstein and would like to share these with you.

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These are all the Plate Nr.for the 50 heller. I will ad and share the next stamp when I am finished with next pages.

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02 Oct 2019
11:41:14pm

re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

Beautiful, thanks Opa....

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03 Oct 2019
07:22:57am

re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

This is the 40 heller. Klingenberg or Castle Zvikov founded ca. 1226-1233.

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All complete Pl. Nr. for this stamp.

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03 Oct 2019
11:27:03am

re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

FABULOUS Opa

I have always loved the selvage on B&M stamps. Nice to see such a great grouping of them.

In discussing the production of these stamps, we speak of the SHEET, which contained the 4 PANES of stamps.

Again, lovely to see, and thanks for sharing.

David

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03 Oct 2019
01:13:22pm

re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

Thank you David for clarifying sheet and pane. Sometimes it´s difficult to find the right translation from German to English. for example if I take the word pane and look at it in the Philatelic Translator I come up with the German word "Blatt". This literally translates to leaf. We use the word H-Blatt (H stands for Heftchen, Booklet) to say Booklet Pane which is only part of the H-Bogen (Booklet sheet)and these only have 1 plate number.

That being said, if you call this part of the large sheet a pane in English I will have to copy this into my book. However if I take it from a stand point of a specialist, (I´m not), I would make the objection that each of the 4 Panes have their own separate plate number. Would this not make them separate sheets?

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04 Oct 2019
10:11:27am

re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

Manfred,

you brought up some good comments I hadn't considered. Pane can refer to both the four individual large panes from a sheet as well as much smaller units, such as the booklet pane, to which you refer. Thanks for adding that.

In US production, each sheet's panes have the same Plate Number(s), so each pane should be essentially identical, except for the position of the PN(s) and the cut lines and straight edges (if present). Most of this refers to older stamps, prior to the self-adhesive state.

B&M production may be quite different; can you, or someone else, show a copy of the 4-different PNs on the 4 panes of a sheet. I am not arguing, just curious.

I am not a specialist either, but do collect all of Czech and related.

David


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04 Oct 2019
12:21:03pm

re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

Here is a picture from the Michel.

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04 Oct 2019
04:02:45pm

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Here is the next one, Mi. 27, 60 heller. Kuttenburg.

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05 Oct 2019
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re: Bohemia & Moravia, Marginal copies

Found these pictures of complete panes in a old Special.

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