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warrenthamm
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16 Oct 2019
02:00:15pm
I am trying to identity this set and not sure the color of it any help would be greatly appreciated Image Not Found

Would this stamp also be the same color also? Image Not Found

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michael78651

16 Oct 2019
02:29:22pm
re: Help with Identification color?

The background and cancels can make a stamp appear to be a different shade. One has to be careful about making an ID, especially if there is a large difference in value.

Telling specific shades of a stamp can be difficult online since monitors have different resolutions. The best method to ID stamps is through on-hand examination of the specimen. Anything you would get online has to be taken as not definitive, but probably close.

The stamp imaged can be either Germany Scott #287 or #287a.

#287 is printed in both flat plate and rotary press versions. If the back of the stamp has an imprint of the stamp, then it is flat plate, and can only be #287.

#287a is printed in only rotary press, and it measures 22mm x 18mm. Note that I was unable to find the measurements for #287, so this is not definitive proof, unless someone else can provide dimensions.

I checked Michel, and this stamp falls as Michel #319A, but there are three shades. The rarest shade, black-blue is not in play here.


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gerom

16 Oct 2019
02:45:39pm
re: Help with Identification color?

The dimensions for a flat print are 17,7 x 21,5mm.

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warrenthamm
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16 Oct 2019
02:51:47pm
re: Help with Identification color?

I measured the dimensions they are both 17,7 x 21,5mm

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michael78651

16 Oct 2019
05:23:43pm
re: Help with Identification color?

Then #287

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phos45
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16 Oct 2019
08:51:37pm
re: Help with Identification color?

use colorpix to ID shade in HEX ... colorpix.com

H/w RATIOS separate plates ...

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16 Oct 2019
11:28:08pm
re: Help with Identification color?

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HockeyNut
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18 Oct 2019
01:58:16pm
re: Help with Identification color?

You can not use the colors from a computer program on a scanned stamp !!!!!!!!!!!

If you really want to determine the right color use a MICHEL colorbook just like GEROM showed you with the 2 millionen on 200 mark stamp in the other post.

The colornames in the MICHEL catalog are odd enough.

For your 20 millionen stamp :

gezähnt K 14:14,25

(dunkel) violetultramarin bis schwartzlichblau

This is a color range .............

It is definitily NOT schwarzblau bis schwarzgrauultramarin !!!!!!!

And the tip GEROM gave you : determine the colors of a stamp only by daylight !!!!

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Opa
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20 Oct 2019
04:13:28am
re: Help with Identification color?

Schwarzblau is fairly easy to spot. The color of the stamp is a dull dark grayish blue .

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Below all three shades. left: from plate, Violettultramarine - Schwärzlichblau
center: from cylinder, dunkelviolettultramarin- dunkelblau
right: from cylinder, schwarzblau - schwarzgrauultramarin

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warrenthamm

16 Oct 2019
02:00:15pm

I am trying to identity this set and not sure the color of it any help would be greatly appreciated Image Not Found

Would this stamp also be the same color also? Image Not Found

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michael78651

16 Oct 2019
02:29:22pm

re: Help with Identification color?

The background and cancels can make a stamp appear to be a different shade. One has to be careful about making an ID, especially if there is a large difference in value.

Telling specific shades of a stamp can be difficult online since monitors have different resolutions. The best method to ID stamps is through on-hand examination of the specimen. Anything you would get online has to be taken as not definitive, but probably close.

The stamp imaged can be either Germany Scott #287 or #287a.

#287 is printed in both flat plate and rotary press versions. If the back of the stamp has an imprint of the stamp, then it is flat plate, and can only be #287.

#287a is printed in only rotary press, and it measures 22mm x 18mm. Note that I was unable to find the measurements for #287, so this is not definitive proof, unless someone else can provide dimensions.

I checked Michel, and this stamp falls as Michel #319A, but there are three shades. The rarest shade, black-blue is not in play here.


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gerom

16 Oct 2019
02:45:39pm

re: Help with Identification color?

The dimensions for a flat print are 17,7 x 21,5mm.

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16 Oct 2019
02:51:47pm

re: Help with Identification color?

I measured the dimensions they are both 17,7 x 21,5mm

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michael78651

16 Oct 2019
05:23:43pm

re: Help with Identification color?

Then #287

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phos45

16 Oct 2019
08:51:37pm

re: Help with Identification color?

use colorpix to ID shade in HEX ... colorpix.com

H/w RATIOS separate plates ...

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warrenthamm

16 Oct 2019
11:28:08pm

re: Help with Identification color?

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HockeyNut

18 Oct 2019
01:58:16pm

re: Help with Identification color?

You can not use the colors from a computer program on a scanned stamp !!!!!!!!!!!

If you really want to determine the right color use a MICHEL colorbook just like GEROM showed you with the 2 millionen on 200 mark stamp in the other post.

The colornames in the MICHEL catalog are odd enough.

For your 20 millionen stamp :

gezähnt K 14:14,25

(dunkel) violetultramarin bis schwartzlichblau

This is a color range .............

It is definitily NOT schwarzblau bis schwarzgrauultramarin !!!!!!!

And the tip GEROM gave you : determine the colors of a stamp only by daylight !!!!

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Opa

20 Oct 2019
04:13:28am

re: Help with Identification color?

Schwarzblau is fairly easy to spot. The color of the stamp is a dull dark grayish blue .

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Below all three shades. left: from plate, Violettultramarine - Schwärzlichblau
center: from cylinder, dunkelviolettultramarin- dunkelblau
right: from cylinder, schwarzblau - schwarzgrauultramarin

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