What we collect!

 

Stamporama Discussion Board Logo
For People Who Love To Talk About Stamps
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Stamporama Discussion Board Logo
For People Who Love To Talk About Stamps
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Stamporama Discussion Board Logo
For People Who Love To Talk About Stamps



What we collect!
What we collect!


United States/Stamps : Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

 

Author
Postings
oldtriguy1960
Members Picture


02 May 2020
09:31:26am
All,

My 2014 edition of Scott Specialized lists 1058 4c Abraham Lincoln coil with large or small holes as dry print. It lists 1058b as large hole wet print (Bureau precanceled).

I think I have a 1058 strip of 3 with joint line that is wet print, but it is not precanceled.
Can someone check if Scott has listed this variety since the 2014 edition?

Thanks in advance.
Dave N.
Like
Login to Like
this post
oldtriguy1960
Members Picture


02 May 2020
09:43:24am
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Image Not Found


I know pics and monitor display differences can make it difficult to detect some things like wet vs dry, but here is a pic showing a dry print pair and the strip of 3 in question...

Dave N.

Like
Login to Like
this post
oldtriguy1960
Members Picture


02 May 2020
10:14:41am
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

I found a used pair of 1058 that I have that also looked wet print, but with no precancel.
So I checked the back side of both the pair and the strip of 3.
The pair shows a light pink stain over the entire back, so I would say the appearance of being a wet print on the front side is just a result of some prior soaking efforts by someone.
The strip of 3 however, looks clean/no stain from soaking on the back side.

Dave N.

Like
Login to Like
this post
angore
Members Picture


Al
Collector, Moderator

02 May 2020
11:12:40am
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Besides the set off (ink on back), wet printings usually have thinner paper and slightly yellow paper. You can usually flip over and compare to a dry printed stamp.

Like
Login to Like
this post

"Stamp Collecting is a many splendored thing"
larsdog
Members Picture


APS #220693 ATA#57179

02 May 2020
11:08:23pm
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

My 2016 catalog doesn't show a wet print without precancel.

There is a LOT of variation in the amount of coloration of the paper in the wet print process, and dry print isn't exactly dry, but not as wet.

If you look at the wet print coil:

Image Not Found

and then the dry print coil:

Image Not Found

the difference is rater obvious. But take a look at these two. The plate numbers tells us they are one wet and one dry, but they don't look all that different! (They look a lot more alike in real life). The Theodore Roosevelt stamps are almost indistinguishable.

Image Not Found

I tried to get heavily inked examples for my wet coils because there are no partial plate numbers to easily get, like booklet panes. For the dry coils I tried to be sure they were at least as light as the plate number examples of dry plates, but I'm sure I could have been fooled.

Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.

"Expanding your knowledge faster than your collection can save you a few bucks."

stamps.colp.info
angore
Members Picture


Al
Collector, Moderator

03 May 2020
06:24:50am
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

From Durland 2016. I read this to say all precancels for 4c Lincoln were wet printed but defer to others.

Image Not Found

Like
Login to Like
this post

"Stamp Collecting is a many splendored thing"
oldtriguy1960
Members Picture


03 May 2020
07:31:37am
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Thanks for the inputs Angore and Larsdog, I like those album pages with the plate number examples of the wet/dry. No question then which one. I'd like to eventually get plate singles for my collection like you show.
Would still like to hear if the latest edition of Scott says anything different.

Dave N.

Like
Login to Like
this post
DavidG
Members Picture


APS member since 2004

03 May 2020
11:52:04am
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Angore:

I understand the 4-cent Lincoln coils, wet printed, to only be precancelled.

David

Like
Login to Like
this post

"President, The Society for Costa Rica Collectors"
bluparrot

04 May 2020
02:41:34pm
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

2019 Scott US Specialized lists 1058b as large holes, wet print, precanceled. No mention of any other varieties.

-Les

Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.
oldtriguy1960
Members Picture


04 May 2020
04:04:22pm
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Thanks Les....

Like
Login to Like
this post
        

 

Author/Postings
Members Picture
oldtriguy1960

02 May 2020
09:31:26am

All,

My 2014 edition of Scott Specialized lists 1058 4c Abraham Lincoln coil with large or small holes as dry print. It lists 1058b as large hole wet print (Bureau precanceled).

I think I have a 1058 strip of 3 with joint line that is wet print, but it is not precanceled.
Can someone check if Scott has listed this variety since the 2014 edition?

Thanks in advance.
Dave N.

Like
Login to Like
this post
Members Picture
oldtriguy1960

02 May 2020
09:43:24am

re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Image Not Found


I know pics and monitor display differences can make it difficult to detect some things like wet vs dry, but here is a pic showing a dry print pair and the strip of 3 in question...

Dave N.

Like
Login to Like
this post
Members Picture
oldtriguy1960

02 May 2020
10:14:41am

re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

I found a used pair of 1058 that I have that also looked wet print, but with no precancel.
So I checked the back side of both the pair and the strip of 3.
The pair shows a light pink stain over the entire back, so I would say the appearance of being a wet print on the front side is just a result of some prior soaking efforts by someone.
The strip of 3 however, looks clean/no stain from soaking on the back side.

Dave N.

Like
Login to Like
this post
Members Picture
angore

Al
Collector, Moderator
02 May 2020
11:12:40am

re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Besides the set off (ink on back), wet printings usually have thinner paper and slightly yellow paper. You can usually flip over and compare to a dry printed stamp.

Like
Login to Like
this post

"Stamp Collecting is a many splendored thing"
Members Picture
larsdog

APS #220693 ATA#57179
02 May 2020
11:08:23pm

re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

My 2016 catalog doesn't show a wet print without precancel.

There is a LOT of variation in the amount of coloration of the paper in the wet print process, and dry print isn't exactly dry, but not as wet.

If you look at the wet print coil:

Image Not Found

and then the dry print coil:

Image Not Found

the difference is rater obvious. But take a look at these two. The plate numbers tells us they are one wet and one dry, but they don't look all that different! (They look a lot more alike in real life). The Theodore Roosevelt stamps are almost indistinguishable.

Image Not Found

I tried to get heavily inked examples for my wet coils because there are no partial plate numbers to easily get, like booklet panes. For the dry coils I tried to be sure they were at least as light as the plate number examples of dry plates, but I'm sure I could have been fooled.

Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.

"Expanding your knowledge faster than your collection can save you a few bucks."

stamps.colp.info
Members Picture
angore

Al
Collector, Moderator
03 May 2020
06:24:50am

re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

From Durland 2016. I read this to say all precancels for 4c Lincoln were wet printed but defer to others.

Image Not Found

Like
Login to Like
this post

"Stamp Collecting is a many splendored thing"
Members Picture
oldtriguy1960

03 May 2020
07:31:37am

re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Thanks for the inputs Angore and Larsdog, I like those album pages with the plate number examples of the wet/dry. No question then which one. I'd like to eventually get plate singles for my collection like you show.
Would still like to hear if the latest edition of Scott says anything different.

Dave N.

Like
Login to Like
this post
Members Picture
DavidG

APS member since 2004
03 May 2020
11:52:04am

re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Angore:

I understand the 4-cent Lincoln coils, wet printed, to only be precancelled.

David

Like
Login to Like
this post

"President, The Society for Costa Rica Collectors"
bluparrot

04 May 2020
02:41:34pm

re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

2019 Scott US Specialized lists 1058b as large holes, wet print, precanceled. No mention of any other varieties.

-Les

Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.
Members Picture
oldtriguy1960

04 May 2020
04:04:22pm

re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?

Thanks Les....

Like
Login to Like
this post
        

Contact Webmaster | Visitors Online | Unsubscribe Emails | Facebook


User Agreement

Copyright © 2024 Stamporama.com