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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

23 May 2020
12:03:58pm
Before I go crazy and get quarantined, can someone please help ID the brown 10 cent stamp on this envelope.


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23 May 2020
12:48:30pm
re: Guatemala Help

My guess would be Scott 239.

To me the clue is the "UPU 1926" in the design. There's a set (ironically, issued in 1929) where Scott shows several of the designs from this series. Among those there is a 10-cent brown.

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23 May 2020
12:51:42pm
re: Guatemala Help

And to confirm that, I just entered "Guatemela Scott 239" into Google and looked at the illustrations. I'm pretty sure that's it, especially because there is nothing in the footnotes to suggest there is a subsequent set with the same design. (There are some overprints indicated, but that's not the case here.)

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23 May 2020
01:05:59pm
re: Guatemala Help

D'OhThank you. You won the prize. Pulled it up on Colnect and sure enough there it is in year 1929. No illustrations in Scott, but the fine print indicates that some of the series differ from the illustration. Not sure why I did not find it in Colnect the first time I looked, but I am old. Don't Tell Anyone

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23 May 2020
01:20:17pm
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Great! Glad it could be helpful!

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23 May 2020
01:52:30pm
re: Guatemala Help

To add a bit more context, this stamp is part of series printed by De La Rue. Here's what a publication from the International Society of Guatemala Collectors (Guatemala-2, edited by Roland A. Goodman) has to say about the conflict between date on the stamp and date of issue:

"This series was ordered with ample forethought, in 1926. Some accounts say that the completed stamps were delivered by the end of 1926, but the dates on die proofs point to early 1927. In any event, the postal authorities obviously were not yet ready to switch over to the new currency, and the stamps, though dated 1926, remained in the vaults until 1929." (p. 420)

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24 May 2020
08:53:52am

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Its great to see a question about Guatemala...one of my favorite areas. Seems like the Guatemala post offices often ran short or regular postage and would use whatever was on hand to post a letter...on this cover postal tax stamps were used as postage.Image Not Found

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24 May 2020
09:29:45pm
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Phil,

A member of our church and good friend of mine is from Guatemala;

he works as an interpreter and is fluent in seven languages as well as the many dialects from his home country. Quite an interesting guy!

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24 May 2020
10:11:38pm

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Hi Musicman, A lady friend of my son was in Guatemala a Peace Corps type of thing and i asked her if she spoke Spanish...and she said no and neither did the people up in the hills that she lived with..that was an eye opener..its just my opinion but it appears to me that the people in charge in these Central American countries do not intend to do much to educate the people and improve their lifestyle.

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25 May 2020
07:40:19am
re: Guatemala Help

That is very accurate. The villages there are very poor. My friend - his name is Coca -
goes back every year to see family and help with what he can.

He was a Dr. there. He cannot practice here, as he would have to take 4 more years of medical school to get a physician's license in the states and he is in his 60's now.

He has told some sad stories about the way of life there. But he speaks of it always with fondness, as it is still 'home'.

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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
23 May 2020
12:03:58pm

Before I go crazy and get quarantined, can someone please help ID the brown 10 cent stamp on this envelope.


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APS #187980
23 May 2020
12:48:30pm

re: Guatemala Help

My guess would be Scott 239.

To me the clue is the "UPU 1926" in the design. There's a set (ironically, issued in 1929) where Scott shows several of the designs from this series. Among those there is a 10-cent brown.

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APS #187980
23 May 2020
12:51:42pm

re: Guatemala Help

And to confirm that, I just entered "Guatemela Scott 239" into Google and looked at the illustrations. I'm pretty sure that's it, especially because there is nothing in the footnotes to suggest there is a subsequent set with the same design. (There are some overprints indicated, but that's not the case here.)

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"You gotta put down the duckie if you wanna play the saxophone. (Hoots the Owl -- Sesame Street)"

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mbo1142

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
23 May 2020
01:05:59pm

re: Guatemala Help

D'OhThank you. You won the prize. Pulled it up on Colnect and sure enough there it is in year 1929. No illustrations in Scott, but the fine print indicates that some of the series differ from the illustration. Not sure why I did not find it in Colnect the first time I looked, but I am old. Don't Tell Anyone

Again, thanks.

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23 May 2020
01:20:17pm

re: Guatemala Help

Great! Glad it could be helpful!

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"You gotta put down the duckie if you wanna play the saxophone. (Hoots the Owl -- Sesame Street)"

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egertoni

23 May 2020
01:52:30pm

re: Guatemala Help

To add a bit more context, this stamp is part of series printed by De La Rue. Here's what a publication from the International Society of Guatemala Collectors (Guatemala-2, edited by Roland A. Goodman) has to say about the conflict between date on the stamp and date of issue:

"This series was ordered with ample forethought, in 1926. Some accounts say that the completed stamps were delivered by the end of 1926, but the dates on die proofs point to early 1927. In any event, the postal authorities obviously were not yet ready to switch over to the new currency, and the stamps, though dated 1926, remained in the vaults until 1929." (p. 420)

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philb

24 May 2020
08:53:52am

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re: Guatemala Help

Its great to see a question about Guatemala...one of my favorite areas. Seems like the Guatemala post offices often ran short or regular postage and would use whatever was on hand to post a letter...on this cover postal tax stamps were used as postage.Image Not Found

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"And every hair is measured like every grain of sand"
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APS #213005
24 May 2020
09:29:45pm

re: Guatemala Help

Phil,

A member of our church and good friend of mine is from Guatemala;

he works as an interpreter and is fluent in seven languages as well as the many dialects from his home country. Quite an interesting guy!

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philb

24 May 2020
10:11:38pm

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re: Guatemala Help

Hi Musicman, A lady friend of my son was in Guatemala a Peace Corps type of thing and i asked her if she spoke Spanish...and she said no and neither did the people up in the hills that she lived with..that was an eye opener..its just my opinion but it appears to me that the people in charge in these Central American countries do not intend to do much to educate the people and improve their lifestyle.

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"And every hair is measured like every grain of sand"
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musicman

APS #213005
25 May 2020
07:40:19am

re: Guatemala Help

That is very accurate. The villages there are very poor. My friend - his name is Coca -
goes back every year to see family and help with what he can.

He was a Dr. there. He cannot practice here, as he would have to take 4 more years of medical school to get a physician's license in the states and he is in his 60's now.

He has told some sad stories about the way of life there. But he speaks of it always with fondness, as it is still 'home'.

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