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10 Jun 2020
10:07:45am
I'm new here and new to stamps. I recently bought a small lot of earlier US Stamps for $10. I have an old P.O. stamp collecting guide so I know the veryImage Not Found basics. I know what coil stamps are but I was wondering what this style is called and if it is unusual?
I just ordered a 730 page book that I can't remember the exact name but something like The Encyclopedia of Stamp Collecting or something like that? If anyone knows this book, does it do a good job describing Types, styles, variations,ect.?
Anyway, what is this style/type called. Is it a form of coil?
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10 Jun 2020
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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Ah, just reading on down in this topic and found my answer.
Now it makes me curious. Are "Schermack"s,if I got this correct, collectible as such. Do they have any value beyond a standard stamp?
Thanks again,
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10 Jun 2020
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You can learn more here
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10 Jun 2020
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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Thanks Don,
I've just started looking though this forum and I can pick out your responses. I had a 57? Hawk for a very short time. That was along time ago but I think it had a 283 Chevy and it was, at the time, the horrible color of pink and white. Now these color cars are the ones to have.
Anyway, that you again,
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11 Jun 2020
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Based upon the 1954 Studebaker Starliner, Hawks continued Studebakers design leadership 'long hood, short trunk' style which others later emulated in the form of Mustangs and Camaros. The 1954 Studebaker Starliner is still typically chosen as one of the top 6 best styled cars ever produced.
I had a 1956 Hawk and years ago I got several of my cars into the movie 'Dirty Dancing'. I have a movie clip and images here (my car is behind the 57 Chevy they are getting into...
http://stampsmarter.com/Connect/aboutme.html

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11 Jun 2020
10:05:57pm
re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Obviously, I'm going WAY off subject but I feel that my question is well answered anyway.
So how do you get a car into movies and do you actually get paid? Mostly, when you see a modern made movie with a classic theme, it always has the standard cars that were saved over the years because of their popularity.
Your car is not the typical 55 Chevy and mine a 1960 PLYMOUTH Suburban is what people actually drove back then. I think our cars are what SHOULD be in the background of a movie trying to be correct.
OK, back on the stamp subject, I have several #56? 3 cent Washington's.Looking at books, they say that something in "ROSE" could be worth $10,000 but in "CARMINE" or whatever may only be worth $1. I've wondered, how do you tell rose from carmine when they've probably faded or changed color over 150 years?
With Ebay and such, does it become a sort of treasure hunt when someone is selling a 100 early Washington's that anyone of them could be the "holy grail" but you can't tell until its's in you hands? Do collectors buy these lots at least for the fun of it?
Sorry but I have a lot of questions such as perforations. I have a gauge but it's just not as simple as that. I hold the gauge to the stamp but it never seems to be exactly right.
Oh well, I'm so sorry for the rambling.
Thanks again for your time and
HAVE A GREAT DAY!!
Karl.

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12 Jun 2020
07:49:05am
re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

"So how do you get a car into movies and do you actually get paid? "



For example, if you were in the southeast USA (lots of filming in Georgia), you can subscribe to the casting agencies (on Facebook, elsewhere) and they will post casting calls for actors, extras, and vehicles cars.

For example, a post may say "Looking for pre-1995 model vehicles, no white or red. $25 bump for vehicle." These posts are usually looking for extras for crowds so they hire you as an extra and get a bump for a vehicle. Extra pay is often $64 for 8 hrs with overtime bump.



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Tom in Exton, PA

12 Jun 2020
04:02:41pm
re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

I love the private perforations, especially the Schermack story! I have collected all the Scott Specialized listed private perforations for Scott 314, the one cent value of the Series of 1902, see my avatar.

You own a 1960 Plymouth Surburban? Photos please! I love the unusual survivors! A buddy of mine has a 1960 Savoy 4 door sedan his father bought new.

Many years ago my family and my 1996 Dodge Caravan Mark III Hightop we’re in a HBO movie that we never learned the name of, nor ever saw! My younger daughter always wanted to act, and she saw they were looking for extras for crowd scenes at our local high school. We applied and were accepted. We were told to dress like we were at a high school baseball game, but to bring clothes we would wear to a graduation.

We got there and spent the morning sitting in bleachers at the school baseball field while they taped a scene. The crew was very nice, made sure everyone was happy and fed. They had lots of food! In the afternoon we did a parking lot scene at a graduation. My older daughter was given a cap and gown. They liked our bright blue Caravan so it was parked in the front of the scene. We were to walk as a family across the lot behind the actors and get into our van. We must’ve done it 50 times! It was fun, but we never got to see the results!


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12 Jun 2020
08:39:27pm
re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Hey "Tom in Exton",
I used to stop in to the Stolen Sun but not since the whole virus thing. They have outside seating so I will be there soon.
I work for the Great Valley School District. Caravan's are the station wagons of the future. Who or why would anyone save them? My Suburban was in a garage for 30 years or else it would be 2 or 3 Toyodas.
Anyway,many of my older stamps have holes which I have learned are called "perfins"?. Some are from defunct railroads. I know some collect them. I'm guessing not every company could afford to make them so how many are there? Possibly a few 1000 different ones or less? Is there references on them and are more collectible than others? Can I look up the ones that I have?
Thanks yet again,
Karl.Image Not Found

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13 Jun 2020
12:16:05pm
re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

I was reading the post a couple up from this where the person was asking about colour variations. Buy a really good colour guide and be prepared to pull your hair out when dealing with some of the early US stamps. How do you tell carmine from carmine rose when the stamp is old and faded? Simple answer, you really can't with any level of certainty. I mount the stamp using the stamp number of the stamp with the lowest value and put a "?" next to it. Also don't expect to be able to judge colours of stamps posted on line - they always look different when you get them. I think uncertainty is one of the many joys that we collectors have to put up with!!

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26 Jun 2020
06:50:50pm
re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

I was also wondering about this lot of old stamps. I don't understand but realize there are color variations but why are there size variations and are they collectible? Are stamps listed but sizes? Image Not Found

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27 Jun 2020
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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Perforation technology** has evolved over the years, so the type of perforating machine and the era of the stamp will determine the consistency of stamp ‘sizes’. In the era stamps you show there is a lot of size variation including what is often called ‘jumbos’. These tend to be margin positions (edge of pane) and make the stamp as much as 50% larger than other stamps in the same pane. ‘Jumbos’ are often collected and are also sometimes have the perfs trimmed to make it look like an imperf stamp.
Around 1927, the US started looking into 'Electric Eye' technology to position the stamp panes and got much better control over variances in perforation stamp sizes; jumbos became mostly a thing of the past.

Lastly, when talking about stamp ‘size’ note that many collectors mean the stamp design and do not include the margins and/or perforations, understanding that there may be differences.
Don

** - You can learn more about US Line Perforators here http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Manuf_LinePerforations.html

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05 Jul 2020
05:36:06pm
re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

I'm also wondering about the perforations. I have a stamp or 2 that don't meet the " 10 perf." or "11 perf.", ect. Are there variations as far as perforations go, that are not listed in the common listings?

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06 Jul 2020
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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Karl,

there are tons of different perforations, not just 10 or 11. They pretty much run the gambit from 8 to 15; and some are complex perfs, like 10 x 10.5; others are roulettes; others are die cuts; and, as you saw, some are private perforations, like the Shermack you showcased.

And it seems that you hit the mother lode of questions and good answers; congrats

nice car, by the way

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10 Jun 2020
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I'm new here and new to stamps. I recently bought a small lot of earlier US Stamps for $10. I have an old P.O. stamp collecting guide so I know the veryImage Not Found basics. I know what coil stamps are but I was wondering what this style is called and if it is unusual?
I just ordered a 730 page book that I can't remember the exact name but something like The Encyclopedia of Stamp Collecting or something like that? If anyone knows this book, does it do a good job describing Types, styles, variations,ect.?
Anyway, what is this style/type called. Is it a form of coil?
Thanks and
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Karl.

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10 Jun 2020
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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Ah, just reading on down in this topic and found my answer.
Now it makes me curious. Are "Schermack"s,if I got this correct, collectible as such. Do they have any value beyond a standard stamp?
Thanks again,
Karl.

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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

You can learn more here
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Don

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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Thanks Don,
I've just started looking though this forum and I can pick out your responses. I had a 57? Hawk for a very short time. That was along time ago but I think it had a 283 Chevy and it was, at the time, the horrible color of pink and white. Now these color cars are the ones to have.
Anyway, that you again,
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11 Jun 2020
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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Based upon the 1954 Studebaker Starliner, Hawks continued Studebakers design leadership 'long hood, short trunk' style which others later emulated in the form of Mustangs and Camaros. The 1954 Studebaker Starliner is still typically chosen as one of the top 6 best styled cars ever produced.
I had a 1956 Hawk and years ago I got several of my cars into the movie 'Dirty Dancing'. I have a movie clip and images here (my car is behind the 57 Chevy they are getting into...
http://stampsmarter.com/Connect/aboutme.html

Don

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11 Jun 2020
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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Obviously, I'm going WAY off subject but I feel that my question is well answered anyway.
So how do you get a car into movies and do you actually get paid? Mostly, when you see a modern made movie with a classic theme, it always has the standard cars that were saved over the years because of their popularity.
Your car is not the typical 55 Chevy and mine a 1960 PLYMOUTH Suburban is what people actually drove back then. I think our cars are what SHOULD be in the background of a movie trying to be correct.
OK, back on the stamp subject, I have several #56? 3 cent Washington's.Looking at books, they say that something in "ROSE" could be worth $10,000 but in "CARMINE" or whatever may only be worth $1. I've wondered, how do you tell rose from carmine when they've probably faded or changed color over 150 years?
With Ebay and such, does it become a sort of treasure hunt when someone is selling a 100 early Washington's that anyone of them could be the "holy grail" but you can't tell until its's in you hands? Do collectors buy these lots at least for the fun of it?
Sorry but I have a lot of questions such as perforations. I have a gauge but it's just not as simple as that. I hold the gauge to the stamp but it never seems to be exactly right.
Oh well, I'm so sorry for the rambling.
Thanks again for your time and
HAVE A GREAT DAY!!
Karl.

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12 Jun 2020
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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

"So how do you get a car into movies and do you actually get paid? "



For example, if you were in the southeast USA (lots of filming in Georgia), you can subscribe to the casting agencies (on Facebook, elsewhere) and they will post casting calls for actors, extras, and vehicles cars.

For example, a post may say "Looking for pre-1995 model vehicles, no white or red. $25 bump for vehicle." These posts are usually looking for extras for crowds so they hire you as an extra and get a bump for a vehicle. Extra pay is often $64 for 8 hrs with overtime bump.



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12 Jun 2020
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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

I love the private perforations, especially the Schermack story! I have collected all the Scott Specialized listed private perforations for Scott 314, the one cent value of the Series of 1902, see my avatar.

You own a 1960 Plymouth Surburban? Photos please! I love the unusual survivors! A buddy of mine has a 1960 Savoy 4 door sedan his father bought new.

Many years ago my family and my 1996 Dodge Caravan Mark III Hightop we’re in a HBO movie that we never learned the name of, nor ever saw! My younger daughter always wanted to act, and she saw they were looking for extras for crowd scenes at our local high school. We applied and were accepted. We were told to dress like we were at a high school baseball game, but to bring clothes we would wear to a graduation.

We got there and spent the morning sitting in bleachers at the school baseball field while they taped a scene. The crew was very nice, made sure everyone was happy and fed. They had lots of food! In the afternoon we did a parking lot scene at a graduation. My older daughter was given a cap and gown. They liked our bright blue Caravan so it was parked in the front of the scene. We were to walk as a family across the lot behind the actors and get into our van. We must’ve done it 50 times! It was fun, but we never got to see the results!


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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Hey "Tom in Exton",
I used to stop in to the Stolen Sun but not since the whole virus thing. They have outside seating so I will be there soon.
I work for the Great Valley School District. Caravan's are the station wagons of the future. Who or why would anyone save them? My Suburban was in a garage for 30 years or else it would be 2 or 3 Toyodas.
Anyway,many of my older stamps have holes which I have learned are called "perfins"?. Some are from defunct railroads. I know some collect them. I'm guessing not every company could afford to make them so how many are there? Possibly a few 1000 different ones or less? Is there references on them and are more collectible than others? Can I look up the ones that I have?
Thanks yet again,
Karl.Image Not Found

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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

I was reading the post a couple up from this where the person was asking about colour variations. Buy a really good colour guide and be prepared to pull your hair out when dealing with some of the early US stamps. How do you tell carmine from carmine rose when the stamp is old and faded? Simple answer, you really can't with any level of certainty. I mount the stamp using the stamp number of the stamp with the lowest value and put a "?" next to it. Also don't expect to be able to judge colours of stamps posted on line - they always look different when you get them. I think uncertainty is one of the many joys that we collectors have to put up with!!

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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

I was also wondering about this lot of old stamps. I don't understand but realize there are color variations but why are there size variations and are they collectible? Are stamps listed but sizes? Image Not Found

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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Perforation technology** has evolved over the years, so the type of perforating machine and the era of the stamp will determine the consistency of stamp ‘sizes’. In the era stamps you show there is a lot of size variation including what is often called ‘jumbos’. These tend to be margin positions (edge of pane) and make the stamp as much as 50% larger than other stamps in the same pane. ‘Jumbos’ are often collected and are also sometimes have the perfs trimmed to make it look like an imperf stamp.
Around 1927, the US started looking into 'Electric Eye' technology to position the stamp panes and got much better control over variances in perforation stamp sizes; jumbos became mostly a thing of the past.

Lastly, when talking about stamp ‘size’ note that many collectors mean the stamp design and do not include the margins and/or perforations, understanding that there may be differences.
Don

** - You can learn more about US Line Perforators here http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Manuf_LinePerforations.html

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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

I'm also wondering about the perforations. I have a stamp or 2 that don't meet the " 10 perf." or "11 perf.", ect. Are there variations as far as perforations go, that are not listed in the common listings?

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re: I guess I posted this under the wrong topic so I will try this again.

Karl,

there are tons of different perforations, not just 10 or 11. They pretty much run the gambit from 8 to 15; and some are complex perfs, like 10 x 10.5; others are roulettes; others are die cuts; and, as you saw, some are private perforations, like the Shermack you showcased.

And it seems that you hit the mother lode of questions and good answers; congrats

nice car, by the way

David

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