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Every one has same date. These are favor cancelled at the same time.
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Thanks for sharing these beautiful blocks. Very nice stamp blocks. These Free French Polynesia stamps are common, but interesting because these cancellation stamps are more valuable than unused. Here are our evaluation:
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DATE: We don't know the first date of these stamps, but we do know it's somewhere in 1942(not pre or post 1942). We also know that Nov 19 is not the first date. We have seen Sept 6 and Sept. 23 before. These stamps weren't printed in French Polynesia.
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QUALITY: These stamps are in good condition. Details are clearly shown. Letters & numbers are sharp. The colors are strong. The post marks (cancel) would be a little more stronger if not soak, but overall it's readable and it's very nice. The blocks are trimmed evenly given good presentation.
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PRICE: According to your Scoot Catalog Price, it's listed $45.40. But in our opinion, it should be at least $60.00, this is based on the trend for these rare blocks. Many of the Collectors from Europe & Oceania were able to purchase these somewhere between $20-33 because they bargain & counter offer with additional discount (membership). But I think $45.40 is a good buy, the price for these blocks will continues to increase due to strong demand & low supplies.
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Conclusion, we are surprised the Seller sold it for low price. I don't think they are expert on French Polynesian stamps. They only goes by Scoot Catalog and has no connection with Philatelic Center of French Polynesia.
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David67 - Thank you for the kind words, and thank you for replying with your knowledge of French Polynesia. Now I know the date is not the first day of issue. As far my Scott Catalog value, I just took the used single prices for the set, and multiplied them by 4. That price does not consider the added value of a block of 4 and the nice cancellations. Thank you for your estimated valuation. I will make note of it.
Scanned below is the box I bought at the stamp show. I will tell you the story of how I bought it. I had a $5 lot of Newfoundland stamps in my hand that I was going to pay for, when I started looking in these box lots. The one shown below had 2.5 pounds weight of on-paper stamps stuffed inside. I noticed some nice used blocks and other good stuff, but did not know the French Polynesia complete set was in there. The show was closing, and other dealers were packing up to leave. Here was the deal...
Dealer: "You like that box?"
Me: "Yes, but it looks like a $20 box to me."
Dealer: "Give me $25 and it is yours."
Me: "If you throw in this lot of Newfoundland, I will give you $25."
Dealer: "It's a deal!"
So in my mind, I paid $20 for the WW box lot and $5 for the Newfoundland lot. I think the dealer had just been to a large auction where he had bought many bulk boxes of stamps, and was just trying to move them. He probably did not look at the contents closely. Trust me, I have gotten hours and hours of entertainment from that $20 box lot.
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So -
when they are individual stamps, they are "common",
but when they are blocks (of 4) they are "rare"??
"These Free French Polynesia stamps are common..."
"...this is based on the trend for these rare blocks"
My 2015 SCOTT catalog shows a value of 25¢ for used and no mention of a premium price for multiples....
Am I missing something here???
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Dear Musicman. The individual stamps are very common and are almost worthless. However, the blocks are valuable in many ways that Scoot Catalog nor any American stamps organization know.
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The blocks for these stamps were common decades ago until late 1980's. They were sold at extremely fast rate. By year 2000, demands exceed supply in demand. Eventhought individual stamps were cheap & available, but lack of public interest & demand. As a result, blocks became an after thought. Blocks with post mark (cancel) are already considered rare by many French Polynesian Stamp Specialists including myself. Recently, these blocks have been pursued so aggressively that Great Britain's top auction house Christie's & Sotheby are involved. Some are sold behind the door. This is the trend that Scott Catalog wouldn't know.
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Today, it's very difficult to find a block with post mark (cancel). People may discover 1 block, but it would be a miracle to discover 14 blocks as Linus did.
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So a miracle just happened...
...interesting!
Thanks for the additional comments!
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This set of 1942 French Polynesia blocks are unused & no hinge with excellent condition. The price is only $36.00 on a French website. You would think collectors would be fighting for this, but no one even bother to look because used is worth more than unused. The post mark (cancellation) is the major reason.
This item has been on the website since 2014. At that time, 2014 Scoot Catalog listed as $64.00. 6 years with no buyers, folks. In our opinion, $64 is over priced. We won't want this item even if it's free.
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Thank you David, for educating us all on the global market. Americans use the Scott Catalogue as a general price guide, but we all know that prices can be higher or lower in the real world. Scott does not tell the whole story, as worldwide collector demand can set the true market price for specialty items. Sometimes that surprises us all.
Linus
2021 Scott Catalogue listing:
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You are welcome, Linus. We are happy to help. Scott Catalogue is non exist in our French Polynesian club because we use Maury Catalogue & Yvert et Tellier Catalogue. We also contact Philatelic Center of French Polynesia for consultation.
It's a huge bargain to purchased 14 blocks for such a low price. It was a miracle finding. We know stamp collecting is in decline in North & South America. Therefore, there are many un discover valuable stamps, blocks & sheets out there. Everyone needs to keep their eyes open so they can have a miracle finding like Linus.
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Anyway, it's good you stored them in Vario page for protection. Recommend to stored them at a secured & safe location. These blocks with cancellation post mark during Free French Resistance ERA are very precious. We predict 1942 cancellation blocks will be extinct by 2024. All 1940 & 1941 cancellation blocks are already extinct (Non exist on today's market).
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David - I will enjoy them and take care of them, while I am alive. I have only found one other used block from French Polynesia, and I will show it to you in the scan below. I enjoy the hunt for blocks, and if I ever find any others, I will be sure to share them on Stamporama.
Linus
(I think the cancel below is ILE TAHITI)
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Yes, thank you very much for your expertise in this area!
No offense was meant by my comments - I was just surprised by the stated value!
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Musicman - I was quite surprised myself! I had no idea they were worth that much.
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I will share with the club a Vario page I added to my WW block collection today. I bought a box of worldwide on-paper mix at the Snowpex Stamp Show in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA last winter, and these blocks were mixed in the box. To my surprise, I had a complete set of 14. They were stuck to brown paper, each block neatly trimmed, but I decided to soak them all, even though I lost a bit of the cancels on a couple of them. I think they turned out fine, at least they are pleasing to my eyes. I made an appointment Saturday to go to my local library, and they had the 2021 Scott Catalogue Volumes 2A and 2B C-F in stock, so I brought them home, and looked these blocks up. I am testing out printing labels, as my handwriting has aged a little, so I welcome your comments. Do you think these are favor cancels or postally used? I was also wondering if 19 November was the first day of issue for this set, Scott only lists 1942, giving no day date. Anybody happen to know?
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Every one has same date. These are favor cancelled at the same time.
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re: 1942 French Polynesia Used Blocks
Thanks for sharing these beautiful blocks. Very nice stamp blocks. These Free French Polynesia stamps are common, but interesting because these cancellation stamps are more valuable than unused. Here are our evaluation:
.
DATE: We don't know the first date of these stamps, but we do know it's somewhere in 1942(not pre or post 1942). We also know that Nov 19 is not the first date. We have seen Sept 6 and Sept. 23 before. These stamps weren't printed in French Polynesia.
.
QUALITY: These stamps are in good condition. Details are clearly shown. Letters & numbers are sharp. The colors are strong. The post marks (cancel) would be a little more stronger if not soak, but overall it's readable and it's very nice. The blocks are trimmed evenly given good presentation.
.
PRICE: According to your Scoot Catalog Price, it's listed $45.40. But in our opinion, it should be at least $60.00, this is based on the trend for these rare blocks. Many of the Collectors from Europe & Oceania were able to purchase these somewhere between $20-33 because they bargain & counter offer with additional discount (membership). But I think $45.40 is a good buy, the price for these blocks will continues to increase due to strong demand & low supplies.
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Conclusion, we are surprised the Seller sold it for low price. I don't think they are expert on French Polynesian stamps. They only goes by Scoot Catalog and has no connection with Philatelic Center of French Polynesia.
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David67 - Thank you for the kind words, and thank you for replying with your knowledge of French Polynesia. Now I know the date is not the first day of issue. As far my Scott Catalog value, I just took the used single prices for the set, and multiplied them by 4. That price does not consider the added value of a block of 4 and the nice cancellations. Thank you for your estimated valuation. I will make note of it.
Scanned below is the box I bought at the stamp show. I will tell you the story of how I bought it. I had a $5 lot of Newfoundland stamps in my hand that I was going to pay for, when I started looking in these box lots. The one shown below had 2.5 pounds weight of on-paper stamps stuffed inside. I noticed some nice used blocks and other good stuff, but did not know the French Polynesia complete set was in there. The show was closing, and other dealers were packing up to leave. Here was the deal...
Dealer: "You like that box?"
Me: "Yes, but it looks like a $20 box to me."
Dealer: "Give me $25 and it is yours."
Me: "If you throw in this lot of Newfoundland, I will give you $25."
Dealer: "It's a deal!"
So in my mind, I paid $20 for the WW box lot and $5 for the Newfoundland lot. I think the dealer had just been to a large auction where he had bought many bulk boxes of stamps, and was just trying to move them. He probably did not look at the contents closely. Trust me, I have gotten hours and hours of entertainment from that $20 box lot.
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So -
when they are individual stamps, they are "common",
but when they are blocks (of 4) they are "rare"??
"These Free French Polynesia stamps are common..."
"...this is based on the trend for these rare blocks"
My 2015 SCOTT catalog shows a value of 25¢ for used and no mention of a premium price for multiples....
Am I missing something here???
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re: 1942 French Polynesia Used Blocks
Dear Musicman. The individual stamps are very common and are almost worthless. However, the blocks are valuable in many ways that Scoot Catalog nor any American stamps organization know.
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The blocks for these stamps were common decades ago until late 1980's. They were sold at extremely fast rate. By year 2000, demands exceed supply in demand. Eventhought individual stamps were cheap & available, but lack of public interest & demand. As a result, blocks became an after thought. Blocks with post mark (cancel) are already considered rare by many French Polynesian Stamp Specialists including myself. Recently, these blocks have been pursued so aggressively that Great Britain's top auction house Christie's & Sotheby are involved. Some are sold behind the door. This is the trend that Scott Catalog wouldn't know.
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Today, it's very difficult to find a block with post mark (cancel). People may discover 1 block, but it would be a miracle to discover 14 blocks as Linus did.
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So a miracle just happened...
...interesting!
Thanks for the additional comments!
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re: 1942 French Polynesia Used Blocks
This set of 1942 French Polynesia blocks are unused & no hinge with excellent condition. The price is only $36.00 on a French website. You would think collectors would be fighting for this, but no one even bother to look because used is worth more than unused. The post mark (cancellation) is the major reason.
This item has been on the website since 2014. At that time, 2014 Scoot Catalog listed as $64.00. 6 years with no buyers, folks. In our opinion, $64 is over priced. We won't want this item even if it's free.
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Thank you David, for educating us all on the global market. Americans use the Scott Catalogue as a general price guide, but we all know that prices can be higher or lower in the real world. Scott does not tell the whole story, as worldwide collector demand can set the true market price for specialty items. Sometimes that surprises us all.
Linus
2021 Scott Catalogue listing:
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You are welcome, Linus. We are happy to help. Scott Catalogue is non exist in our French Polynesian club because we use Maury Catalogue & Yvert et Tellier Catalogue. We also contact Philatelic Center of French Polynesia for consultation.
It's a huge bargain to purchased 14 blocks for such a low price. It was a miracle finding. We know stamp collecting is in decline in North & South America. Therefore, there are many un discover valuable stamps, blocks & sheets out there. Everyone needs to keep their eyes open so they can have a miracle finding like Linus.
.
Anyway, it's good you stored them in Vario page for protection. Recommend to stored them at a secured & safe location. These blocks with cancellation post mark during Free French Resistance ERA are very precious. We predict 1942 cancellation blocks will be extinct by 2024. All 1940 & 1941 cancellation blocks are already extinct (Non exist on today's market).
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re: 1942 French Polynesia Used Blocks
David - I will enjoy them and take care of them, while I am alive. I have only found one other used block from French Polynesia, and I will show it to you in the scan below. I enjoy the hunt for blocks, and if I ever find any others, I will be sure to share them on Stamporama.
Linus
(I think the cancel below is ILE TAHITI)
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Yes, thank you very much for your expertise in this area!
No offense was meant by my comments - I was just surprised by the stated value!
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Musicman - I was quite surprised myself! I had no idea they were worth that much.
Linus
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