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12 Nov 2020
05:16:47am
Cinderella (philately)
In philately, a cinderella is a stamp that at first sight is reminiscent of a postage stamp, but is not a postage stamp, because it was not issued by the postal service of a country, region or (international) organization recognized by the Universal Postal Union.

The term covers a huge spectrum of possibilities:
• Stamps with a semi-postal function, intended for alternative forms of postal transport, such as city postal services, ship stamps, hotel stamps.
• Also strike stamps, used for alternative postal transport during a postal strike.
• Stamps of so-called city postal services that earned their money by issuing (city mail) stamps without ever transporting a mail.
• Stamps intended for sticking on a letter but without a franking function, such as sealing stamps, such as in the Netherlands from the Tuberculosis Control
• Stamps issued by the state, but for a purpose other than sending mail, such as fiscal stamps
• More stamps not related to postal transport: insurance stamps, savings stamps, etc.
• Sealing stamps
• Fantasy stamps of non-existent countries, for example the second edition of the so-called stamps of the Principality of Sedang, located somewhere in Indochina, which King Marie I had printed in Paris in 1889.
• Fantasy stamps created by artists.
• Forgeries to the detriment of the postal system.
• Forgeries to the detriment of the philatelist.
• Forgeries of espionage, for example the 1½ cents from 1935 (NVPH no. 172) that secret agents received when they were dropped over the Netherlands.
• War counterfeits in World War I and World War II made by the opposing party for propaganda purposes.
• Facsimiles of stamps, but somehow clearly recognizable as not real.
• Stamps designed and printed as postage stamps, but never issued, for example because a crucial mistake was discovered at the last minute.
• Proofs. In the Netherlands, think of the color tests of the first emissions.

Cinderellas are usually issued by private companies or organizations to promote themselves. The design of cinderellas is generally very similar to that of "real" stamps, but without an official country designation and usually without a value designation.
Cinderellas are also collected, even by philatelists. Philatelists' appreciation depends on the circumstances. Cinderellas on a letter that has really run are often appreciated.

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12 Nov 2020
05:25:48am
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What you call cinderellas are usually savings stamps in Germany.
These are then, for example, pasted and stamped in a special booklet.

I'm not going to show any examples of this here now because I found a site that has all that in it.

WARNING!
This site shows swastikas and other symbols from the Nazi era.
If this offense you, please do not hit the following link.
It is in the english language so no trouble for you guys....Big Grin

https://moonwheel.eu/


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12 Nov 2020
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Oke a couples examples then :

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Wartime Iron Ration stamps

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12 Nov 2020
04:35:18pm

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I think my wife and her family in North Holland would have loved some iron rations.

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12 Nov 2020
04:53:13pm
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Phil, I can't tell if you mean they would have loved to have literal iron, or "iron rations", AKA emergency military rations.

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12 Nov 2020
06:20:14pm

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Any food of any kind would have been been welcome especially during the hunger winter of 1944/45 . The Germans in the area were cut off..they had no access to food either.

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13 Nov 2020
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Causes of the scarcity
The food shortage in the west of the Netherlands was considered in retrospect as a result of three factors:

1) Due to the liberation of the southern Netherlands, coal from the Limburg mines was no longer possible.
Only a very limited amount of fuel came from Germany.
There, too, there was a need for fuel for daily life and the war industry.
2) The government order for the General Railway Strike in 1944, promulgated on September 17 by the Dutch government in London, as a result of which transport in the Netherlands was at least for a few weeks to a great extent halted.
3) The reprisals with which the German occupier responded to the strike, together with general German policy.
Food transport to the west was blocked for a period of six weeks;
relatively simple, by erecting blockades at the Afsluitdijk, the bridges over the IJssel and the Frisian / Overijsselse IJsselmeer harbors and by no longer issuing transport permits.
This caused a catastrophic famine disaster in the west of the Netherlands.

The strike coincided with the largest Allied airborne operation in history near Arnhem, that of Operation Market Garden.
Because the front line now ran through the Netherlands, roughly along the major rivers, Limburg coal could not be transported to the west of the Netherlands.
The south of the Netherlands had already been liberated prior to the Hunger Winter.

Because the rivers and the IJsselmeer froze over at the end of December, and because land transport was no longer possible, the West of the Netherlands was cut off from all possible food and relief goods, fuels, clothing and medicines.
The Central Shipping Company for the Food Supply could no longer sail.
In view of the liberation, more than 20,000 Dutch people died of starvation in the first months of 1945 as a result of this blockade.

At the end of April, relief finally came. After consultation with the Germans, food drops were allowed over the Netherlands.
British and American bombers flew to the west of the Netherlands and dropped loads of food.
In nine days, 11,000 tons of food fell from the sky.
The operation came to be known as Operation Manna, a reference to the Biblical manna with which God fed the Jewish people after the Exodus from Egypt.


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13 Nov 2020
02:32:18pm
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Unfortunately that "bombing run" featured a very limited menu for those in need. By the time it all landed, all that was left was......

Tossed salad, egg drop soup, mashed potatoes, squash, scrambled eggs, and for dessert, pineapple upside-down cake and milkshakes!

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13 Nov 2020
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They had tins of spam type porky porky but the Germans were waiting for the drop also.

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13 Nov 2020
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Living in the Netherlands during WWII i remember the plane coming over the heatherfield and dropping wooden crates with food. Everyone was hiding in the bushes so that the Germans did not see you, they were there too as they also were starving. Then when the drop was complete everyone ran out to get a box of food.
We had the ration stamps, here is a sample of my second book (stamkaart) with the leftover coupons; there were not many times in 1944-45 ehn there was anything to get - and pay for- any food.Image Not Found

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13 Nov 2020
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02 Dec 2020
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Are These Cinderella's? These were in a Germany lot that I acquired recently. Thanks Hypnotized



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02 Dec 2020
05:24:37am
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Apart from the 1¼ Schilling, which is a forgery of the 1866 Hamburg issue, the other values are completely bogus. I would include them in my cinderella collection.

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02 Dec 2020
05:44:15am
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Cool!! Thanks. I have enough of a challenge with my U.S. stamp I.D. but my brother found a huge lot of Worldwide dealer stock and album pages out there in California and sent it to me. It's gonna take awhile to go through it and I'm pretty clueless on 99 percent of worldwide stuff. Surprise

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02 Dec 2020
07:15:47am
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Just like DaveSheridan said FAKES.

This is a real Hamburg stamp from that period :

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1864 1,25 Schilling Front

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02 Dec 2020
07:28:39am
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And there are a lot of REPRINTS, PRIVATE REPRINTS.


1 1/4 brown-violet to gray-purple, Hamburg No. 20
From the issue to 1 1/4 Sch. from 1866 there are private reprints and reprints. The reprints are 100 years old, the reprints are from 1978 and are marked accordingly. Many of the reprints were not punctured. The missing puncture is already an indication. In the frequent reprints, one of them in the picture below for comparison, not all four rosettes have a colorless center (see turquoise arrows). Most of the time all 4 rosettes are full-colored. The quickest way to identify is the loop of the "g". The yellow arrow points to the foot of the "g". In the original, the foot is a beautiful, fine oval. In the reprints presented below (right stamp) the lower sheet is completely missing.

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A reprint from 1890 can be seen in the picture on the right. In the years 1886, 1890, 1894 and 1896, the Hamburg stamp dealer A. Bestelmeyer read reprints (= forgeries) of 1 1/4 Schilling in an octagonal frame from the Ferd printing company. Produce Schlottke in runs of 1000 sheets each. After 1896 there were possibly more editions. He used the printing material of a real value stamp for the postal stationery as the "original stamp". He removed Galvanos from the real printing material. However, the corners and the outer frame had to be added. The stamp on the postal stationery was just octagonal. This addition alone makes the print a forgery and not a hoped-for "reprint". With originals there are also three lines thicker in the corners, with reprints only two of them. The reprints from 1886 and 1890 have an "8" instead of "10". The 1886 reprint is missing "blue" in color. The reprint from 1890 is reddish brown, see picture above. Many of these reprints are not pierced, so pure fantasy products. Not only does the foot deviate on the "g", but also the "flag" on the head of the "g". In the case of originals, the wafer-thin shaft of the flag extends into the white interior of the "g". In the case of reprints, the shaft is usually not present at all. In fact, every detail of the drawing is different.

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02 Dec 2020
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Wow! Alot to soak in with Germany. So before it was Germany it was Bavaria?Cool

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02 Dec 2020
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Bavaria was one of more than a dozen stamp-issuing German states prior to the German unification and establishment of the Reichspost... and Bavaria (and Wurttemburg) hung on for quite a while after that, issuing their own stamps.

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12 Nov 2020
05:16:47am

Cinderella (philately)
In philately, a cinderella is a stamp that at first sight is reminiscent of a postage stamp, but is not a postage stamp, because it was not issued by the postal service of a country, region or (international) organization recognized by the Universal Postal Union.

The term covers a huge spectrum of possibilities:
• Stamps with a semi-postal function, intended for alternative forms of postal transport, such as city postal services, ship stamps, hotel stamps.
• Also strike stamps, used for alternative postal transport during a postal strike.
• Stamps of so-called city postal services that earned their money by issuing (city mail) stamps without ever transporting a mail.
• Stamps intended for sticking on a letter but without a franking function, such as sealing stamps, such as in the Netherlands from the Tuberculosis Control
• Stamps issued by the state, but for a purpose other than sending mail, such as fiscal stamps
• More stamps not related to postal transport: insurance stamps, savings stamps, etc.
• Sealing stamps
• Fantasy stamps of non-existent countries, for example the second edition of the so-called stamps of the Principality of Sedang, located somewhere in Indochina, which King Marie I had printed in Paris in 1889.
• Fantasy stamps created by artists.
• Forgeries to the detriment of the postal system.
• Forgeries to the detriment of the philatelist.
• Forgeries of espionage, for example the 1½ cents from 1935 (NVPH no. 172) that secret agents received when they were dropped over the Netherlands.
• War counterfeits in World War I and World War II made by the opposing party for propaganda purposes.
• Facsimiles of stamps, but somehow clearly recognizable as not real.
• Stamps designed and printed as postage stamps, but never issued, for example because a crucial mistake was discovered at the last minute.
• Proofs. In the Netherlands, think of the color tests of the first emissions.

Cinderellas are usually issued by private companies or organizations to promote themselves. The design of cinderellas is generally very similar to that of "real" stamps, but without an official country designation and usually without a value designation.
Cinderellas are also collected, even by philatelists. Philatelists' appreciation depends on the circumstances. Cinderellas on a letter that has really run are often appreciated.

Source : WIKIpedia


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What you call cinderellas are usually savings stamps in Germany.
These are then, for example, pasted and stamped in a special booklet.

I'm not going to show any examples of this here now because I found a site that has all that in it.

WARNING!
This site shows swastikas and other symbols from the Nazi era.
If this offense you, please do not hit the following link.
It is in the english language so no trouble for you guys....Big Grin

https://moonwheel.eu/


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Oke a couples examples then :

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Hitler Youth revenue saving stamps

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I think my wife and her family in North Holland would have loved some iron rations.

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12 Nov 2020
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Phil, I can't tell if you mean they would have loved to have literal iron, or "iron rations", AKA emergency military rations.

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12 Nov 2020
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Any food of any kind would have been been welcome especially during the hunger winter of 1944/45 . The Germans in the area were cut off..they had no access to food either.

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13 Nov 2020
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Causes of the scarcity
The food shortage in the west of the Netherlands was considered in retrospect as a result of three factors:

1) Due to the liberation of the southern Netherlands, coal from the Limburg mines was no longer possible.
Only a very limited amount of fuel came from Germany.
There, too, there was a need for fuel for daily life and the war industry.
2) The government order for the General Railway Strike in 1944, promulgated on September 17 by the Dutch government in London, as a result of which transport in the Netherlands was at least for a few weeks to a great extent halted.
3) The reprisals with which the German occupier responded to the strike, together with general German policy.
Food transport to the west was blocked for a period of six weeks;
relatively simple, by erecting blockades at the Afsluitdijk, the bridges over the IJssel and the Frisian / Overijsselse IJsselmeer harbors and by no longer issuing transport permits.
This caused a catastrophic famine disaster in the west of the Netherlands.

The strike coincided with the largest Allied airborne operation in history near Arnhem, that of Operation Market Garden.
Because the front line now ran through the Netherlands, roughly along the major rivers, Limburg coal could not be transported to the west of the Netherlands.
The south of the Netherlands had already been liberated prior to the Hunger Winter.

Because the rivers and the IJsselmeer froze over at the end of December, and because land transport was no longer possible, the West of the Netherlands was cut off from all possible food and relief goods, fuels, clothing and medicines.
The Central Shipping Company for the Food Supply could no longer sail.
In view of the liberation, more than 20,000 Dutch people died of starvation in the first months of 1945 as a result of this blockade.

At the end of April, relief finally came. After consultation with the Germans, food drops were allowed over the Netherlands.
British and American bombers flew to the west of the Netherlands and dropped loads of food.
In nine days, 11,000 tons of food fell from the sky.
The operation came to be known as Operation Manna, a reference to the Biblical manna with which God fed the Jewish people after the Exodus from Egypt.


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13 Nov 2020
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Unfortunately that "bombing run" featured a very limited menu for those in need. By the time it all landed, all that was left was......

Tossed salad, egg drop soup, mashed potatoes, squash, scrambled eggs, and for dessert, pineapple upside-down cake and milkshakes!

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They had tins of spam type porky porky but the Germans were waiting for the drop also.

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Living in the Netherlands during WWII i remember the plane coming over the heatherfield and dropping wooden crates with food. Everyone was hiding in the bushes so that the Germans did not see you, they were there too as they also were starving. Then when the drop was complete everyone ran out to get a box of food.
We had the ration stamps, here is a sample of my second book (stamkaart) with the leftover coupons; there were not many times in 1944-45 ehn there was anything to get - and pay for- any food.Image Not Found

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Are These Cinderella's? These were in a Germany lot that I acquired recently. Thanks Hypnotized



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02 Dec 2020
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Apart from the 1¼ Schilling, which is a forgery of the 1866 Hamburg issue, the other values are completely bogus. I would include them in my cinderella collection.

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Cool!! Thanks. I have enough of a challenge with my U.S. stamp I.D. but my brother found a huge lot of Worldwide dealer stock and album pages out there in California and sent it to me. It's gonna take awhile to go through it and I'm pretty clueless on 99 percent of worldwide stuff. Surprise

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02 Dec 2020
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re: Cinderalla's and more from the period 1933 - 1945 in Germany

Just like DaveSheridan said FAKES.

This is a real Hamburg stamp from that period :

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1864 1,25 Schilling Front

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And there are a lot of REPRINTS, PRIVATE REPRINTS.


1 1/4 brown-violet to gray-purple, Hamburg No. 20
From the issue to 1 1/4 Sch. from 1866 there are private reprints and reprints. The reprints are 100 years old, the reprints are from 1978 and are marked accordingly. Many of the reprints were not punctured. The missing puncture is already an indication. In the frequent reprints, one of them in the picture below for comparison, not all four rosettes have a colorless center (see turquoise arrows). Most of the time all 4 rosettes are full-colored. The quickest way to identify is the loop of the "g". The yellow arrow points to the foot of the "g". In the original, the foot is a beautiful, fine oval. In the reprints presented below (right stamp) the lower sheet is completely missing.

Image Not Found

A reprint from 1890 can be seen in the picture on the right. In the years 1886, 1890, 1894 and 1896, the Hamburg stamp dealer A. Bestelmeyer read reprints (= forgeries) of 1 1/4 Schilling in an octagonal frame from the Ferd printing company. Produce Schlottke in runs of 1000 sheets each. After 1896 there were possibly more editions. He used the printing material of a real value stamp for the postal stationery as the "original stamp". He removed Galvanos from the real printing material. However, the corners and the outer frame had to be added. The stamp on the postal stationery was just octagonal. This addition alone makes the print a forgery and not a hoped-for "reprint". With originals there are also three lines thicker in the corners, with reprints only two of them. The reprints from 1886 and 1890 have an "8" instead of "10". The 1886 reprint is missing "blue" in color. The reprint from 1890 is reddish brown, see picture above. Many of these reprints are not pierced, so pure fantasy products. Not only does the foot deviate on the "g", but also the "flag" on the head of the "g". In the case of originals, the wafer-thin shaft of the flag extends into the white interior of the "g". In the case of reprints, the shaft is usually not present at all. In fact, every detail of the drawing is different.

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Wow! Alot to soak in with Germany. So before it was Germany it was Bavaria?Cool

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02 Dec 2020
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Bavaria was one of more than a dozen stamp-issuing German states prior to the German unification and establishment of the Reichspost... and Bavaria (and Wurttemburg) hung on for quite a while after that, issuing their own stamps.

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