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United States/BOB & Other : Look what I found . . . Dept of State . . .

 

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JohnGalt

04 Dec 2020
12:15:08pm
. . . Forgeries.

I found two of them in my Revenues collection yesterday . . Interestingly the 5$ one appears to be canceled.

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pigdoc

04 Dec 2020
02:37:21pm
re: Look what I found . . . Dept of State . . .

Um, did you notice the tiny black letters arrayed in an arc, near the top: FACSIMILE?
That's a bit unfortunate. These are worth about $10 each, in excellent condition.

When I was chasing these stamps, I had some points in the design that were diagnostic for distinguishing fakes. I forget what those were...Somebody will weigh in with that...

These appear to be exceptionally good quality facsimilies.

Can you tell if the dies for these stamps were engraved? If you drag your fingernail across the stamp in an area like the shoulder, you should feel a vibration for the ridges of ink.

Looks like somebody tried to erase the FACSIMILE on the $10 stamp. Good thing they gave up when they did!

The purple cancel on the $5 stamp is curious. I see the word ASSOCIATION arcing up the right side. The way the other characters in that cancellation are arranged, I'd presume that "ASSOCIATION" was across the bottom of the canceling device and that the (oval) cancellation is applied sideways to the stamp.

The $10 stamp is especially dirty. I'd probably try to clean it up for display as a reference specimen. Soak it in some soapy warm water, gently scrub with a Qtip, rinse, repeat.

-Paul

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pigdoc

04 Dec 2020
02:49:13pm
re: Look what I found . . . Dept of State . . .

I just compared your images to the set of proofs I have for the $2, $5, $10, and $20 stamps. In my proofs the central vignette - the part printed in black ink - is perfectly centered on all 4 stamps.

On the two stamps you imaged, the central vignette is very poorly centered on both. On the $10 it is skewed towards the top. On the $5 it is skewed towards the left bottom.

But, that may not be diagnostic...

-Paul

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JohnGalt

04 Dec 2020
12:15:08pm

. . . Forgeries.

I found two of them in my Revenues collection yesterday . . Interestingly the 5$ one appears to be canceled.

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pigdoc

04 Dec 2020
02:37:21pm

re: Look what I found . . . Dept of State . . .

Um, did you notice the tiny black letters arrayed in an arc, near the top: FACSIMILE?
That's a bit unfortunate. These are worth about $10 each, in excellent condition.

When I was chasing these stamps, I had some points in the design that were diagnostic for distinguishing fakes. I forget what those were...Somebody will weigh in with that...

These appear to be exceptionally good quality facsimilies.

Can you tell if the dies for these stamps were engraved? If you drag your fingernail across the stamp in an area like the shoulder, you should feel a vibration for the ridges of ink.

Looks like somebody tried to erase the FACSIMILE on the $10 stamp. Good thing they gave up when they did!

The purple cancel on the $5 stamp is curious. I see the word ASSOCIATION arcing up the right side. The way the other characters in that cancellation are arranged, I'd presume that "ASSOCIATION" was across the bottom of the canceling device and that the (oval) cancellation is applied sideways to the stamp.

The $10 stamp is especially dirty. I'd probably try to clean it up for display as a reference specimen. Soak it in some soapy warm water, gently scrub with a Qtip, rinse, repeat.

-Paul

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pigdoc

04 Dec 2020
02:49:13pm

re: Look what I found . . . Dept of State . . .

I just compared your images to the set of proofs I have for the $2, $5, $10, and $20 stamps. In my proofs the central vignette - the part printed in black ink - is perfectly centered on all 4 stamps.

On the two stamps you imaged, the central vignette is very poorly centered on both. On the $10 it is skewed towards the top. On the $5 it is skewed towards the left bottom.

But, that may not be diagnostic...

-Paul

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