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Europe/Great Britain : Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

 

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smauggie
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02 Apr 2021
03:55:14pm
Greetings,

Does anyone know the purpose of the red "tombstone" marking?

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02 Apr 2021
04:09:56pm
re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

From my "Collect British Postmarks" it says;
Tombstone paid marks, single (morning)or double (evening) from 1800, red.
But does not state what is double or single, presumably the actual stamping once or twice.

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02 Apr 2021
04:52:41pm
re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

I believe the single/double description refers to the postmark having a single or double outline.

I don't know why this one seems to have an extra line at the top. Maybe the canceller bounced while it was applied.

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sheepshanks
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02 Apr 2021
05:23:18pm
re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

Thanks Nigel, I did wonder about that. The illustration in the book shows a double outline but no clarification.

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03 Apr 2021
01:19:31am
re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

I kept putting tombstone in quotes because I didn't know what they were called. Turns out I was calling them correctly. Thanks for all the great information.

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03 Apr 2021
01:33:39pm
re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

One of my favourite items is a packet (ship) cover from Pictou N.S. to Sanquhar Scotland. It has a really great tombstone postmark from Liverpool England for 1853. It is a stampless cover! I'm wondering, since N.S. started using stamps in 1851, how long stampless covers were still used. That's not counting government mail that you didn't have to use stamps for. Does anyone have that information among our group of experts, or do I have to resort to Mr. Google?

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Benque

03 Apr 2021
01:52:27pm
re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

Good question Harvey. After reading it, I wonder about other areas also, worldwide.

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03 Apr 2021
02:02:26pm
re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

Harvey, it all depends on how quickly postage stamps got distributed to all the post offices, and how regularly they were resupplied. One can imagine that early on, many smaller post offices may have taken some time to order and receive postage stamps. Also, at times, there may have been stamp shortages for periods of time when covers would be sent without stamps. I have seen stampless covers from the US from the 1860's.

To know for sure you would have to do a massive survey of thousands of stampless covers posted after postage stamps were available to see which locations were still sending stampless covers and when.

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03 Apr 2021
02:45:03pm
re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

If someone had access to thousands of stampless covers it would be an interesting study to do. I have a suggestion to make. I have a couple stampless covers, not an area I collect. How about the following - when you have a chance check postmarks for your stampless covers and post the dates of any that are newer than the production of stamps in the areas you collect. Post the results here and I'll try to keep track. Since we are stamp collectors most of us probably don't have too many stampless covers. I think I only have a few, but I'm sure some of you have many more. It might be an interesting study!

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02 Apr 2021
03:55:14pm

Greetings,

Does anyone know the purpose of the red "tombstone" marking?

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02 Apr 2021
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re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

From my "Collect British Postmarks" it says;
Tombstone paid marks, single (morning)or double (evening) from 1800, red.
But does not state what is double or single, presumably the actual stamping once or twice.

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02 Apr 2021
04:52:41pm

re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

I believe the single/double description refers to the postmark having a single or double outline.

I don't know why this one seems to have an extra line at the top. Maybe the canceller bounced while it was applied.

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02 Apr 2021
05:23:18pm

re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

Thanks Nigel, I did wonder about that. The illustration in the book shows a double outline but no clarification.

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03 Apr 2021
01:19:31am

re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

I kept putting tombstone in quotes because I didn't know what they were called. Turns out I was calling them correctly. Thanks for all the great information.

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03 Apr 2021
01:33:39pm

re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

One of my favourite items is a packet (ship) cover from Pictou N.S. to Sanquhar Scotland. It has a really great tombstone postmark from Liverpool England for 1853. It is a stampless cover! I'm wondering, since N.S. started using stamps in 1851, how long stampless covers were still used. That's not counting government mail that you didn't have to use stamps for. Does anyone have that information among our group of experts, or do I have to resort to Mr. Google?

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""We have multiplied our possessions but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We’ve learned how to make a living but not a life. We’ve added years to life, not life to years." George Carlin"
Benque

03 Apr 2021
01:52:27pm

re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

Good question Harvey. After reading it, I wonder about other areas also, worldwide.

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smauggie

03 Apr 2021
02:02:26pm

re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

Harvey, it all depends on how quickly postage stamps got distributed to all the post offices, and how regularly they were resupplied. One can imagine that early on, many smaller post offices may have taken some time to order and receive postage stamps. Also, at times, there may have been stamp shortages for periods of time when covers would be sent without stamps. I have seen stampless covers from the US from the 1860's.

To know for sure you would have to do a massive survey of thousands of stampless covers posted after postage stamps were available to see which locations were still sending stampless covers and when.

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
03 Apr 2021
02:45:03pm

re: Great Britain Stampless Cover with "tombstone" marking

If someone had access to thousands of stampless covers it would be an interesting study to do. I have a suggestion to make. I have a couple stampless covers, not an area I collect. How about the following - when you have a chance check postmarks for your stampless covers and post the dates of any that are newer than the production of stamps in the areas you collect. Post the results here and I'll try to keep track. Since we are stamp collectors most of us probably don't have too many stampless covers. I think I only have a few, but I'm sure some of you have many more. It might be an interesting study!

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""We have multiplied our possessions but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We’ve learned how to make a living but not a life. We’ve added years to life, not life to years." George Carlin"
        

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