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Does anyone have some information on this stamp ?Showing front and back
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Well, this is an interesting item. The 2 cents Germanic Symbols is not rare. Far from it actually and it would not be surprising if some entrepreneurial types would have tried to make money by creating special stamps like this example. That would mean it is a private overprint, but in this particular case things are a bit more complicated.
On June 2nd and 3rd 1944, there was a philatelic exhibition in The Hague and for this exhibition a temporary post office was created. An official order from May 24th 1944 decrees that for the exhibition organised by the “Ligue Internationale Philatélique et Aérophilatélique” a special cancel will be used.
On top of that, 150,000 stamps were provided with a perforated cross and a text on the back side. PRIJS 15 CENT toeslag ten bate Ned. Roode Kruis = Price 15 cent surcharge for the Dutch Red Cross.
There are newspaper articles in which is stated that the Dutch Postal Service has allowed these specially perforated stamps to be made available at the exhibition and that the extra surcharge is to be collected for the Red Cross.
This would mean that the footnote in the Dutch specialized NVPH catalogue is not correct. It says that the perforation and backprint are unofficial private "maakwerk" (i.e. created to harm collectors).
Although there ought to be quite a lot of these, I cannot say I have ever seen one myself before.
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Interesting back story, Jan.
Scott has a note about this as well, as follows:
In 1944, 200,000 examples of Netherlands Scott #247 were privately punched with a cross and printed on the back with a number and the words "Prijs 15 Cent toeslag ten bate Ned. Roode Kruis." These were sold at an exhibition, the surtax going to the red Cross. The Dutch post office tolerated these stamps.
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Funny, I must have gone through the Scott catalogue umpteen times, but I never noticed this footnote!
It just shows how blind one can be, even with both eyes open 
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Thanks Jan and Michael . It was nice to find all that information on the stamp. Sometimes
it seems you need to read the fine print to get the whole story
Thanks for the help
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"It just shows how blind one can be, even with both eyes open "
I resemble that remark.
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06:56:57pm
Memories;
I have a mint hinged example that I bought at a small stamp store
at just about this time of year, 1965, from a stamp shop on
Binnenweg (Street ???) in Rotterdam.
On our way to Danmark, Norway and Sweden, the (then) new
SS American Rover blew the reduction gear on the reverse
turbine in mid English Channel. After limping through the
Straits of Dover and on to Rotterdam we unloaded our cargo
to be forwarded on. The Six foot dimeter gear had to be
removed, and replaced with one meant for a different vessel's
engine being built at a GE plant in Massachusetts and trans
shipped to the pier in Rotterdam. Things like that are not
unusually stocked t a local hardwares store.
While the engine crew had lots of work doing that, the deck
crew had about six weeks to roam the city, entrain to The Hague,
then Amsterdam and even take a bicycle tour of the city seeking
stamp stores and bargain stamp lots.
We were supposed to be back in New York by the first week in
July and I was supposed to be godfather for a friend's baby,
a daughter, born on the Glorious Fourth. Needless to say we
did not make it back in time, so my dad, same name, stood
in my place, godfather by proxy.
I just double checked and the stamp is there safely hinged
where I placed it some fifty-five years ago, and my god-daughter
is living quite happily on her horse ranch in Georgia.
See what magical power stamps can have.
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Nice story but there are differences in those stamps :
perfin with 24 holes ( cross sign is closed )
perfin with 20 holes ( cross sign is open )
The places of the holes that form the cross are also not always the same.
There are more differences :
With the Dutch text on the back
Without the Dutch text on the back
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There used to be a well known stamp shop at the Nieuwe Binnenweg in Rotterdam, but it closed many years ago. There are still stamp shops but they have all moved to the outskirts of the city. Beautiful story Charlie!
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06:12:17pm
" ... there are differences in those stamps ..."
Very interesting., as always
.
I doubt very much I was aware of such subtleties
then as I had only resumed collecting in the
preceding year and since then do not recall ever
giving that stamp a second look.
My Scott was
antebellum and I had no Dutch of other
specialist catalog at the time.
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Thanks to all. It’s been an interesting stamp.
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03:38:33pm
Does anyone have some information on this stamp ?
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Well, this is an interesting item. The 2 cents Germanic Symbols is not rare. Far from it actually and it would not be surprising if some entrepreneurial types would have tried to make money by creating special stamps like this example. That would mean it is a private overprint, but in this particular case things are a bit more complicated.
On June 2nd and 3rd 1944, there was a philatelic exhibition in The Hague and for this exhibition a temporary post office was created. An official order from May 24th 1944 decrees that for the exhibition organised by the “Ligue Internationale Philatélique et Aérophilatélique” a special cancel will be used.
On top of that, 150,000 stamps were provided with a perforated cross and a text on the back side. PRIJS 15 CENT toeslag ten bate Ned. Roode Kruis = Price 15 cent surcharge for the Dutch Red Cross.
There are newspaper articles in which is stated that the Dutch Postal Service has allowed these specially perforated stamps to be made available at the exhibition and that the extra surcharge is to be collected for the Red Cross.
This would mean that the footnote in the Dutch specialized NVPH catalogue is not correct. It says that the perforation and backprint are unofficial private "maakwerk" (i.e. created to harm collectors).
Although there ought to be quite a lot of these, I cannot say I have ever seen one myself before.
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Interesting back story, Jan.
Scott has a note about this as well, as follows:
In 1944, 200,000 examples of Netherlands Scott #247 were privately punched with a cross and printed on the back with a number and the words "Prijs 15 Cent toeslag ten bate Ned. Roode Kruis." These were sold at an exhibition, the surtax going to the red Cross. The Dutch post office tolerated these stamps.
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Funny, I must have gone through the Scott catalogue umpteen times, but I never noticed this footnote!
It just shows how blind one can be, even with both eyes open
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Thanks Jan and Michael . It was nice to find all that information on the stamp. Sometimes
it seems you need to read the fine print to get the whole story
Thanks for the help
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"It just shows how blind one can be, even with both eyes open "
I resemble that remark.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
29 Jun 2021
06:56:57pm
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Memories;
I have a mint hinged example that I bought at a small stamp store
at just about this time of year, 1965, from a stamp shop on
Binnenweg (Street ???) in Rotterdam.
On our way to Danmark, Norway and Sweden, the (then) new
SS American Rover blew the reduction gear on the reverse
turbine in mid English Channel. After limping through the
Straits of Dover and on to Rotterdam we unloaded our cargo
to be forwarded on. The Six foot dimeter gear had to be
removed, and replaced with one meant for a different vessel's
engine being built at a GE plant in Massachusetts and trans
shipped to the pier in Rotterdam. Things like that are not
unusually stocked t a local hardwares store.
While the engine crew had lots of work doing that, the deck
crew had about six weeks to roam the city, entrain to The Hague,
then Amsterdam and even take a bicycle tour of the city seeking
stamp stores and bargain stamp lots.
We were supposed to be back in New York by the first week in
July and I was supposed to be godfather for a friend's baby,
a daughter, born on the Glorious Fourth. Needless to say we
did not make it back in time, so my dad, same name, stood
in my place, godfather by proxy.
I just double checked and the stamp is there safely hinged
where I placed it some fifty-five years ago, and my god-daughter
is living quite happily on her horse ranch in Georgia.
See what magical power stamps can have.
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Nice story but there are differences in those stamps :
perfin with 24 holes ( cross sign is closed )
perfin with 20 holes ( cross sign is open )
The places of the holes that form the cross are also not always the same.
There are more differences :
With the Dutch text on the back
Without the Dutch text on the back
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There used to be a well known stamp shop at the Nieuwe Binnenweg in Rotterdam, but it closed many years ago. There are still stamp shops but they have all moved to the outskirts of the city. Beautiful story Charlie!
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
01 Jul 2021
06:12:17pm
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" ... there are differences in those stamps ..."
Very interesting., as always
.
I doubt very much I was aware of such subtleties
then as I had only resumed collecting in the
preceding year and since then do not recall ever
giving that stamp a second look.
My Scott was
antebellum and I had no Dutch of other
specialist catalog at the time.
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Thanks to all. It’s been an interesting stamp.
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