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02:03:50am
in the once booming Machin study. I think there
are two specific causes.
One is the popular use of the NVI Blue and Gold
definitives over the sometimes intriguingly
colored standard value stamps.
The other may be the increased use of self
adhesive issues with the often difficult to see
secret date and source codes. Collecting them
produces page after page of almost identical
Blue and Gold NVIs.
Removing them from an envelope's corner without
disturbing the die cut security tabs is a challenge
for shaky old fingers, possibly impossible for
today's youths..
Another factor may be the decreasing availability
of post office stock as these NVIs nd labels are
being pushed to mailers.
And then, Royal Mail may have finally killed the
goose that had been steadily providing golden
eggs to fill its coffers. Once RM was satisfied
producing two and three stamp sets that commemorated
some place or person of significance in its long
colorful history, or some modern topic of interest.
Now I see sets of ten or more, often celebrating
the damndest things. I am glad that, while I do like
to get nicely used copies of sets, the temporary lack
of completeness does not inspire me to go out of my
way seeking comic book heroes and such inconsequential
issues.
The classic Victoria, Edward and George issues hold
interest, but Britain's modern issue leave me cold.
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Your comments may explain modern Machins but do you think classic Machins have peaked? There is a forum (another discussion board) that is dedicated to them but it has had no posts in quite some time. I know two active folks that have devoted time to create Facebook groups for Machins.
For modern Machins, many of the varieties are generated by all the prestige booklets.
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09:11:24am
" ... but do you think classic Machins have peaked? "
I really do not know. I find them all interesting
and enjoy both the pre-2000 as well as these later
repetitive issues despite the problems I mentioned.
The Machin Forum - Stamp Index
which I suspect is what you are referring to is,
and has been very quiet (last post 9-15-21) but
the owner keeps it open as a courtesy because of
the vast depth of Machin information peacefully
reposing there.
We were very active ( I am a co-moderator) up to a
couple of years ago. Dave was going to shut it down
but decided it may be useful to some Machinistas.
And it is a place of unusual courtesy in this sometimes
"in you face" world just as SoR is.
(Anyone wishing to check it out click the "stamp Index" link above.
" ...For modern Machins, many of the varieties are generated
by all the prestige booklets ..."
Accent on the "All." They are quite colorful and for the
most part are of subjects closely related to UK life.
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Thanks for sharing the Machin Forum link. I was not aware of this forum and it has some excellent information. Perhaps the posts will be more frequent as more of us find it. Thanks again!
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Yes, my reference was to the Machin Forum. Posts usually get no response.
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07:00:42pm
" ... Posts usually get no response. ..."
Unfortunately, or fortunately from his perspective, as
Dave's business grew it occupied the greater part of
his time and as posts spaced out more and more, the
need to check things every day decreased as well.
The more experienced members had fewer queries to with
which to deal, or research.
But just about every post ever made there that required a
response was answered and all are still easily accessible.
So the asset is still open for all to read and if reader
participation grows , well, participation will increase.
For SoR, Machin discussions, and apparently interest,
have also declined. The Machin topic is buried within
the Great Britain sub-Topic which is also embedded in its place
in the Europe topic.
I have noticed that questions and comments
on certain identifiable topics are being made in the General
"Philatelic Discussion" topic,
(On my part as well as with others.)
with little effort made to steer things to the more or less
appropriate sub-topics. That seems to be the way members want
it and there is a distinct aversion to a "Sherriff" as other
forums have.
C'est la Vie, mes amis.
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I have a nice GB collection I've barely looked at for months; It stops about 2010 with most commerative issues but... the Manchins. For the life of me I just never got into them. I've tried but it's just not there for me.
Sorry...
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Just my pennyworth, but it seems that interest started dropping off when the un-soakable self adhesives took over. I appreciate they do come off with certain chemicals but not everyone has access to those.
Whilst I do still collect them, cutting around and leaving a margin then having to affix hinges to envelope paper, gives a slightly untidy appearance.
Not helping is the fact that a number are only available from special sheets or booklets and as such are really only available as mint or cancelled to order, rather than genuinely used.
Carry on collecting.
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As it relates to SOR, if I have a Machin or GB Regional question I will ask at another forum first since I will usually get a faster response but sometimes do cross post on multiple forums including Facebook.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
25 Sep 2021
02:03:50am
Sad to say, there seems to be a definite decline
in the once booming Machin study. I think there
are two specific causes.
One is the popular use of the NVI Blue and Gold
definitives over the sometimes intriguingly
colored standard value stamps.
The other may be the increased use of self
adhesive issues with the often difficult to see
secret date and source codes. Collecting them
produces page after page of almost identical
Blue and Gold NVIs.
Removing them from an envelope's corner without
disturbing the die cut security tabs is a challenge
for shaky old fingers, possibly impossible for
today's youths..
Another factor may be the decreasing availability
of post office stock as these NVIs nd labels are
being pushed to mailers.
And then, Royal Mail may have finally killed the
goose that had been steadily providing golden
eggs to fill its coffers. Once RM was satisfied
producing two and three stamp sets that commemorated
some place or person of significance in its long
colorful history, or some modern topic of interest.
Now I see sets of ten or more, often celebrating
the damndest things. I am glad that, while I do like
to get nicely used copies of sets, the temporary lack
of completeness does not inspire me to go out of my
way seeking comic book heroes and such inconsequential
issues.
The classic Victoria, Edward and George issues hold
interest, but Britain's modern issue leave me cold.
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re: Did the SS Machin hit an iceburg and go to the bottom.
Your comments may explain modern Machins but do you think classic Machins have peaked? There is a forum (another discussion board) that is dedicated to them but it has had no posts in quite some time. I know two active folks that have devoted time to create Facebook groups for Machins.
For modern Machins, many of the varieties are generated by all the prestige booklets.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
27 Sep 2021
09:11:24am
re: Did the SS Machin hit an iceburg and go to the bottom.
" ... but do you think classic Machins have peaked? "
I really do not know. I find them all interesting
and enjoy both the pre-2000 as well as these later
repetitive issues despite the problems I mentioned.
The Machin Forum - Stamp Index
which I suspect is what you are referring to is,
and has been very quiet (last post 9-15-21) but
the owner keeps it open as a courtesy because of
the vast depth of Machin information peacefully
reposing there.
We were very active ( I am a co-moderator) up to a
couple of years ago. Dave was going to shut it down
but decided it may be useful to some Machinistas.
And it is a place of unusual courtesy in this sometimes
"in you face" world just as SoR is.
(Anyone wishing to check it out click the "stamp Index" link above.
" ...For modern Machins, many of the varieties are generated
by all the prestige booklets ..."
Accent on the "All." They are quite colorful and for the
most part are of subjects closely related to UK life.
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re: Did the SS Machin hit an iceburg and go to the bottom.
Thanks for sharing the Machin Forum link. I was not aware of this forum and it has some excellent information. Perhaps the posts will be more frequent as more of us find it. Thanks again!
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re: Did the SS Machin hit an iceburg and go to the bottom.
Yes, my reference was to the Machin Forum. Posts usually get no response.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
30 Sep 2021
07:00:42pm
re: Did the SS Machin hit an iceburg and go to the bottom.
" ... Posts usually get no response. ..."
Unfortunately, or fortunately from his perspective, as
Dave's business grew it occupied the greater part of
his time and as posts spaced out more and more, the
need to check things every day decreased as well.
The more experienced members had fewer queries to with
which to deal, or research.
But just about every post ever made there that required a
response was answered and all are still easily accessible.
So the asset is still open for all to read and if reader
participation grows , well, participation will increase.
For SoR, Machin discussions, and apparently interest,
have also declined. The Machin topic is buried within
the Great Britain sub-Topic which is also embedded in its place
in the Europe topic.
I have noticed that questions and comments
on certain identifiable topics are being made in the General
"Philatelic Discussion" topic,
(On my part as well as with others.)
with little effort made to steer things to the more or less
appropriate sub-topics. That seems to be the way members want
it and there is a distinct aversion to a "Sherriff" as other
forums have.
C'est la Vie, mes amis.
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re: Did the SS Machin hit an iceburg and go to the bottom.
I have a nice GB collection I've barely looked at for months; It stops about 2010 with most commerative issues but... the Manchins. For the life of me I just never got into them. I've tried but it's just not there for me.
Sorry...
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re: Did the SS Machin hit an iceburg and go to the bottom.
Just my pennyworth, but it seems that interest started dropping off when the un-soakable self adhesives took over. I appreciate they do come off with certain chemicals but not everyone has access to those.
Whilst I do still collect them, cutting around and leaving a margin then having to affix hinges to envelope paper, gives a slightly untidy appearance.
Not helping is the fact that a number are only available from special sheets or booklets and as such are really only available as mint or cancelled to order, rather than genuinely used.
Carry on collecting.
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re: Did the SS Machin hit an iceburg and go to the bottom.
As it relates to SOR, if I have a Machin or GB Regional question I will ask at another forum first since I will usually get a faster response but sometimes do cross post on multiple forums including Facebook.
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