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Dakota
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11 Nov 2021
03:56:33pm
I have a collection which has several gum variations of the First, Second and Third Printings of the Hitler Head stamps. I do not have a Michel German Catalogue. Is there much of a valuation in these different gum varieties?
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11 Nov 2021
08:21:21pm
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

I have a 2007 English Michel, page 160 references gum differences with some premiums.

Michel # 785-796

Michel states; The gum differences with these issues are presently being investigated. The results will appear in a future listing.

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Dakota
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11 Nov 2021
10:27:51pm
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Thank you. I just ordered a new Michel English.

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gerom

12 Nov 2021
01:30:11pm
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

In the Michel 2019 catalogue the 40 pfenig stamp (Mi#795) is mentioned with the numbers 795vy and 795wy with the mention:“waagerechter riffelungsahnliche Gummi-brechung,sehr helle(dunkle) Gummierung“
The quotation for MH/MNH is 10/25 Euro

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12 Nov 2021
03:42:27pm
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

The new English Michel for the German Reich doesn't say anything about printings or gum. They just list a few with shade and perf varieties. This is for 781-802B. Not sure if this is what you are talking about...


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gerom

12 Nov 2021
08:10:30pm
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

This is what the 2011 Michel edition looks like.
In 2019 it is the same.
The English edition may not contain all the information

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13 Nov 2021
06:59:43am
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This is what my 2016 English version of Michael says.

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13 Nov 2021
08:32:00am
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

I am using the new English version of the German Reich book, which is quite basic...

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13 Nov 2021
08:53:25am
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

I didn't even know that catalog existed - guess I'll have to find one!

Thanks for showing the cover!

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13 Nov 2021
09:41:52am
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Randall,

Check out eBay item number:334215946606.

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13 Nov 2021
10:25:13am
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Thanks, Mel!

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gerom

14 Nov 2021
09:05:52am
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Hi musicman
Michel in English edition might not be a successful investment.
I compared the catalog page posted by BrightonPete with the my Michel specialized 2019 edition

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The color of the 783 stamp (4 pf.) is translated wrong.(prussianblue=??? blue)
One good thing is the color code listed in brackets
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In this case it is useful to buy the Michel colour guide (90Euro).

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I think Michel basic in English does not help you more in identifying German stamps (especially for the colour varieties) than Scott.

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14 Nov 2021
10:27:50am
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Not sure what year or version BrightonPete is using, but my 2016 version, 2nd edition shows the following for #783 witch is a direct translation from the Michel. Shows the same color.

Also note at the bottom of the page the information regarding color research.

I also believe the Michel color guide is an excellent investment. Wish I had one.

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Sorry about the poor image, but trying to scan/copy from a bound book is difficult for me.

Mel

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15 Nov 2021
06:53:10am

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Germany Specialized Vol. 1
ISBN 978-3-95402-120-8

German Reich
ISBN 978-3-95402-316-5

The "German Reich" is a new 108 page thick book that came out in March of this year. It appears to be taken from the basic Germany catalogue. The specialized is due for renewal I suppose, latest edition is the 2016 version. On the other hand, right now it is just € 19.80 for a 500+ pages catalogue compared to € 29,80 for the new one that has less information.

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15 Nov 2021
07:03:03am
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

As I mentioned before :

The Michel Catalog does not catalog gum- and paper differences anymore of most of the stamps of the Third reich period.
Also colors that are slightly different are not mentioned anymore.

So DARK TO BLACKISH PRUSSIAN BLUE is the description now-a-days
In the early days there would be, maybe, 3 different colors with different prices.
Just as Gerom Showed us in a earlier post :
LEBHAFT PREUSSISCH BLAU
PREUSSISCH BLAU
DUNKEL PREUSSISCH BLAU
SCHWARTZLICH PREUSSISCH BLAU

I am at work now, but if do not forget it I will scan the page of my old Catalog of all the gum and paper differences of those Hitler stamps.

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15 Nov 2021
12:57:26pm
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

As promised :

German :
v = Weisser Gummi
w = Gelber Gummi

x = senkrecht geriffelter Gummi
y = waagerecht geriffelter Gummi
z = glatter Gummi

English :
v = white gum
w = yellow gum

x = vertically corrugated gum
y = horizontally corrugated gum
z = smooth gum

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BE AWARE THAT THE PRICES ARE IN DEUTSCH MARKS AND ARE FROM 1992

Nr 781, 784 and 785 have all an a and b variant in color.

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15 Nov 2021
01:37:34pm
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Color variations :

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I tried to scan the gum-side of those stamps but you can not see the x, y and z variations
after I scanned them.

At Wits End Crying Sad

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gerom

16 Nov 2021
06:55:34am
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Thanks HockeyNut for this information.
I don't collect this series but in the lots I bought I have some "Hitler's head" stamps.
The stamp on the left has some vertical lines (I couldn't get a clearer picture)


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I'm curious why this information has been removed from the new catalogue editions.
Comparing the stamp with one of the Berlin Brandenburg series (which has horizontal lines) I notice that there is a big difference although in the catalogue they have the same denomination: "senkrecht/waagerecht geriffelte Gummierung".

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Is it possible that the vertical lines on stamp 3 pf are caused mechanically and not by the way the gum is applied?
Could this be the reason why the information was removed from later editions of the catalogue?


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Dakota
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16 Nov 2021
10:52:21am
re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

I would like to thank everyone who has responded. I had already ordered the Michel English version. I guess I will have another nice edition to my small library.

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Dakota

11 Nov 2021
03:56:33pm

I have a collection which has several gum variations of the First, Second and Third Printings of the Hitler Head stamps. I do not have a Michel German Catalogue. Is there much of a valuation in these different gum varieties?

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11 Nov 2021
08:21:21pm

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

I have a 2007 English Michel, page 160 references gum differences with some premiums.

Michel # 785-796

Michel states; The gum differences with these issues are presently being investigated. The results will appear in a future listing.

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11 Nov 2021
10:27:51pm

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Thank you. I just ordered a new Michel English.

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gerom

12 Nov 2021
01:30:11pm

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

In the Michel 2019 catalogue the 40 pfenig stamp (Mi#795) is mentioned with the numbers 795vy and 795wy with the mention:“waagerechter riffelungsahnliche Gummi-brechung,sehr helle(dunkle) Gummierung“
The quotation for MH/MNH is 10/25 Euro

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BrightonPete

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12 Nov 2021
03:42:27pm

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

The new English Michel for the German Reich doesn't say anything about printings or gum. They just list a few with shade and perf varieties. This is for 781-802B. Not sure if this is what you are talking about...


Peter

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gerom

12 Nov 2021
08:10:30pm

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

This is what the 2011 Michel edition looks like.
In 2019 it is the same.
The English edition may not contain all the information

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mbo1142

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13 Nov 2021
06:59:43am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

This is what my 2016 English version of Michael says.

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BrightonPete

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13 Nov 2021
08:32:00am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

I am using the new English version of the German Reich book, which is quite basic...

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musicman

APS #213005
13 Nov 2021
08:53:25am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

I didn't even know that catalog existed - guess I'll have to find one!

Thanks for showing the cover!

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mbo1142

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13 Nov 2021
09:41:52am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Randall,

Check out eBay item number:334215946606.

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APS #213005
13 Nov 2021
10:25:13am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Thanks, Mel!

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gerom

14 Nov 2021
09:05:52am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Hi musicman
Michel in English edition might not be a successful investment.
I compared the catalog page posted by BrightonPete with the my Michel specialized 2019 edition

Image Not Found

The color of the 783 stamp (4 pf.) is translated wrong.(prussianblue=??? blue)
One good thing is the color code listed in brackets
Image Not Found

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In this case it is useful to buy the Michel colour guide (90Euro).

Image Not Found

I think Michel basic in English does not help you more in identifying German stamps (especially for the colour varieties) than Scott.

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mbo1142

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
14 Nov 2021
10:27:50am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Not sure what year or version BrightonPete is using, but my 2016 version, 2nd edition shows the following for #783 witch is a direct translation from the Michel. Shows the same color.

Also note at the bottom of the page the information regarding color research.

I also believe the Michel color guide is an excellent investment. Wish I had one.

Image Not Found

Sorry about the poor image, but trying to scan/copy from a bound book is difficult for me.

Mel

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Jansimon

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15 Nov 2021
06:53:10am

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re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Germany Specialized Vol. 1
ISBN 978-3-95402-120-8

German Reich
ISBN 978-3-95402-316-5

The "German Reich" is a new 108 page thick book that came out in March of this year. It appears to be taken from the basic Germany catalogue. The specialized is due for renewal I suppose, latest edition is the 2016 version. On the other hand, right now it is just € 19.80 for a 500+ pages catalogue compared to € 29,80 for the new one that has less information.

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HockeyNut

15 Nov 2021
07:03:03am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

As I mentioned before :

The Michel Catalog does not catalog gum- and paper differences anymore of most of the stamps of the Third reich period.
Also colors that are slightly different are not mentioned anymore.

So DARK TO BLACKISH PRUSSIAN BLUE is the description now-a-days
In the early days there would be, maybe, 3 different colors with different prices.
Just as Gerom Showed us in a earlier post :
LEBHAFT PREUSSISCH BLAU
PREUSSISCH BLAU
DUNKEL PREUSSISCH BLAU
SCHWARTZLICH PREUSSISCH BLAU

I am at work now, but if do not forget it I will scan the page of my old Catalog of all the gum and paper differences of those Hitler stamps.

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HockeyNut

15 Nov 2021
12:57:26pm

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

As promised :

German :
v = Weisser Gummi
w = Gelber Gummi

x = senkrecht geriffelter Gummi
y = waagerecht geriffelter Gummi
z = glatter Gummi

English :
v = white gum
w = yellow gum

x = vertically corrugated gum
y = horizontally corrugated gum
z = smooth gum

Image Not Found

BE AWARE THAT THE PRICES ARE IN DEUTSCH MARKS AND ARE FROM 1992

Nr 781, 784 and 785 have all an a and b variant in color.

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HockeyNut

15 Nov 2021
01:37:34pm

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Color variations :

Image Not Found

I tried to scan the gum-side of those stamps but you can not see the x, y and z variations
after I scanned them.

At Wits End Crying Sad

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gerom

16 Nov 2021
06:55:34am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

Thanks HockeyNut for this information.
I don't collect this series but in the lots I bought I have some "Hitler's head" stamps.
The stamp on the left has some vertical lines (I couldn't get a clearer picture)


Image Not Found
Image Not Found

I'm curious why this information has been removed from the new catalogue editions.
Comparing the stamp with one of the Berlin Brandenburg series (which has horizontal lines) I notice that there is a big difference although in the catalogue they have the same denomination: "senkrecht/waagerecht geriffelte Gummierung".

Image Not Found
Image Not Found

Is it possible that the vertical lines on stamp 3 pf are caused mechanically and not by the way the gum is applied?
Could this be the reason why the information was removed from later editions of the catalogue?


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Dakota

16 Nov 2021
10:52:21am

re: Hitler Head Gum Varieties

I would like to thank everyone who has responded. I had already ordered the Michel English version. I guess I will have another nice edition to my small library.

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