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With respect to the 1953 - 61 QEII series overprinted with the letter "G", specifically Scott 039. The catalogue has a "variety" listing for "Overprint C".
My edition includes depictions of Overprint A and Overprint B. However, don't see anything re Overprint C.
Is this simply a case of "catalogue blindness"?
Thank you.
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11:02:56am
"The catalogue"
One should always specify the catalogue. Easier to help that way.
If you are referring to Scott, look at the image of 10c Inuit / Kayak stamp before O16. Not a very good image of the overprint, but that's it.
In Unitrade, better images, again before O16.
The essence of "c" is the angle and thinness of the lower curve. It is colloquially known as the "Flying G".
Roy
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11:13:07am
Type b / Type c
Stamps were not scanned together, size mismatch is not real nor relevant.
Roy
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Thank you, Roy, for clarifying the overprint for me.
Point taken. Will be certain to more clearly indicate the catalogue to which the posting/query refers.
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Roy, perhaps you can cure my "catalogue blindness." In the Unitrade catalogue section for official stamps, it refers to "blunt G" but while it illustrates types a to d, "blunt" is not among them. Yet there are listings for it (e.g. O38ii, O45aii, O47i, O48i). What is a definitive identifying factor for the blunt G? An online search left me confused--when I was offered an O45aii with a stubby right side crossbar I looked and saw a seemingly identical appearance on a lot offered by a major philatelic auction house with a Vincent Greene certificate. I later saw (and won) an O38ii in which "blunt G" made instant sense in that there was no sign of a right side of the crossbar. Given your years of experience dealing with Canadian philately, would it be your judgment that both of these still qualify as issues with a blunt G, or only the latter (O38ii)? Thank you in advance for sharing your insight.
Tom
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06:23:18pm
In all my years of collecting Canada (50, and counting) I have never heard of a "blunt G"! Could someone please show a scan of a regular G, a flying G and a blunt G next to each other. I have all the "flying G's", as far as I know, and I would like to see what the blunt version looks like!
Edit: I just took a quick look on line and it seems as though the "blunt G" is the regular G with the right part of the cross bar ripped off. Is this an accurate statement? Now all I have to do is find one - THANKS A WHOLE LOT!!! Just when I thought I was happy with my Canada BOB!
Edit#2: Just looked through all my Canada officials - not a "blunt G" to be found anywhere!!!
Edit#3: Thanks to this damn post I now realize I also don't have an example of the "fish hook G". Is that a G that has the top part of the upper right horizontal crossbar missing? I guess I now have two more things to look for - can anyone help???
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07:24:21pm
"In the Unitrade catalogue section for official stamps, it refers to "blunt G" but while it illustrates types a to d, "blunt" is not among them. "
First, a disclaimer. Varieties are not my thing. Everything I know comes from peripheral knowledge due to handling all kinds of stamps for 60 years, plus similar experience in deciphering catalogues.
Firstly, my 2019 Unitrade catalogue does show images of all these varieties (I still use the 2019 because it is the last one that still includes postal stationery). Here they are:
Here is another image from the Darnell book "Canadian E.F.O.'s" (Millennium edition). It's a very small picture and I have blown it up a lot. It's not really useful in the catalogue:
Note that the numbers are Darnell numbers, they DO NOT correspond to Scott and Unitrade numbers.
Now, the interesting thing is that the blunt G only occurs on 4 stamps:
50c Textile (the expensive one)
20c Paper Industry
2c Cameo
4c Cameo
and in the latter three cases is documented as being a constant variety (i.e. always the same position(s) in the sheet) (similar information is not given for the 50c Textile issue).
Accordingly, if you are really into varieties, in my opinion, you have to add one of the position blocks to your collection with the variety. That way, you will know what it looks like.
I would say that the Darnell image fits the description in your final question. Also, note that on the 2c Cameo and the 20c Paper, the blunt G occurs in two places on the sheet (pos 39 and 91 and pos 49 and 7 respectively). Given the nature of the variety, it is likely that these two are not absolutely identical.
Roy
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07:52:36pm
I only collect varieties that interest me and I would really like to find one example each of the fish hook G and the blunt G. I have what I consider to be a complete Canada BOB (except for some provincial stamps, of course) without doing all the crazy varieties. I did go a bit nuts with the War Tax stamps and get copies of all the diagonal overprints. I have not decided whether I want to try for the perfin officials, I've almost decided not to because of the sheer number of them. But, now that I know about them, I have to find the other two versions of the G overprint, just one of each! I also collect varieties of the Victoria large and small Queens. I still am looking for the Bluenose "man on the mast" at a reasonable price. There's always something!!!
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08:18:49pm
"I have not decided whether I want to try for the perfin officials, I've almost decided not to because of the sheer number of them."
Also, if you are considering any of the expensive ones, be aware that they are quite easy for a good tool and die maker to fake and there are a lot of fakes around.
Roy
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08:05:36am
Thanks Roy, that's definitely a problem I have to consider. There's also so many of them and they don't show up that often. I'll probably pass on the perfins and spend my money on more exciting things!!
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10:46:43am
With respect to the 1953 - 61 QEII series overprinted with the letter "G", specifically Scott 039. The catalogue has a "variety" listing for "Overprint C".
My edition includes depictions of Overprint A and Overprint B. However, don't see anything re Overprint C.
Is this simply a case of "catalogue blindness"?
Thank you.
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16 Apr 2022
11:02:56am
re: Canada: 1953 - 61 official issues
"The catalogue"
One should always specify the catalogue. Easier to help that way.
If you are referring to Scott, look at the image of 10c Inuit / Kayak stamp before O16. Not a very good image of the overprint, but that's it.
In Unitrade, better images, again before O16.
The essence of "c" is the angle and thinness of the lower curve. It is colloquially known as the "Flying G".
Roy
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16 Apr 2022
11:13:07am
re: Canada: 1953 - 61 official issues
Type b / Type c
Stamps were not scanned together, size mismatch is not real nor relevant.
Roy
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04:53:27pm
re: Canada: 1953 - 61 official issues
Thank you, Roy, for clarifying the overprint for me.
Point taken. Will be certain to more clearly indicate the catalogue to which the posting/query refers.
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06:02:51pm
re: Canada: 1953 - 61 official issues
Roy, perhaps you can cure my "catalogue blindness." In the Unitrade catalogue section for official stamps, it refers to "blunt G" but while it illustrates types a to d, "blunt" is not among them. Yet there are listings for it (e.g. O38ii, O45aii, O47i, O48i). What is a definitive identifying factor for the blunt G? An online search left me confused--when I was offered an O45aii with a stubby right side crossbar I looked and saw a seemingly identical appearance on a lot offered by a major philatelic auction house with a Vincent Greene certificate. I later saw (and won) an O38ii in which "blunt G" made instant sense in that there was no sign of a right side of the crossbar. Given your years of experience dealing with Canadian philately, would it be your judgment that both of these still qualify as issues with a blunt G, or only the latter (O38ii)? Thank you in advance for sharing your insight.
Tom
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16 Apr 2022
06:23:18pm
re: Canada: 1953 - 61 official issues
In all my years of collecting Canada (50, and counting) I have never heard of a "blunt G"! Could someone please show a scan of a regular G, a flying G and a blunt G next to each other. I have all the "flying G's", as far as I know, and I would like to see what the blunt version looks like!
Edit: I just took a quick look on line and it seems as though the "blunt G" is the regular G with the right part of the cross bar ripped off. Is this an accurate statement? Now all I have to do is find one - THANKS A WHOLE LOT!!! Just when I thought I was happy with my Canada BOB!
Edit#2: Just looked through all my Canada officials - not a "blunt G" to be found anywhere!!!
Edit#3: Thanks to this damn post I now realize I also don't have an example of the "fish hook G". Is that a G that has the top part of the upper right horizontal crossbar missing? I guess I now have two more things to look for - can anyone help???
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16 Apr 2022
07:24:21pm
re: Canada: 1953 - 61 official issues
"In the Unitrade catalogue section for official stamps, it refers to "blunt G" but while it illustrates types a to d, "blunt" is not among them. "
First, a disclaimer. Varieties are not my thing. Everything I know comes from peripheral knowledge due to handling all kinds of stamps for 60 years, plus similar experience in deciphering catalogues.
Firstly, my 2019 Unitrade catalogue does show images of all these varieties (I still use the 2019 because it is the last one that still includes postal stationery). Here they are:
Here is another image from the Darnell book "Canadian E.F.O.'s" (Millennium edition). It's a very small picture and I have blown it up a lot. It's not really useful in the catalogue:
Note that the numbers are Darnell numbers, they DO NOT correspond to Scott and Unitrade numbers.
Now, the interesting thing is that the blunt G only occurs on 4 stamps:
50c Textile (the expensive one)
20c Paper Industry
2c Cameo
4c Cameo
and in the latter three cases is documented as being a constant variety (i.e. always the same position(s) in the sheet) (similar information is not given for the 50c Textile issue).
Accordingly, if you are really into varieties, in my opinion, you have to add one of the position blocks to your collection with the variety. That way, you will know what it looks like.
I would say that the Darnell image fits the description in your final question. Also, note that on the 2c Cameo and the 20c Paper, the blunt G occurs in two places on the sheet (pos 39 and 91 and pos 49 and 7 respectively). Given the nature of the variety, it is likely that these two are not absolutely identical.
Roy
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16 Apr 2022
07:52:36pm
re: Canada: 1953 - 61 official issues
I only collect varieties that interest me and I would really like to find one example each of the fish hook G and the blunt G. I have what I consider to be a complete Canada BOB (except for some provincial stamps, of course) without doing all the crazy varieties. I did go a bit nuts with the War Tax stamps and get copies of all the diagonal overprints. I have not decided whether I want to try for the perfin officials, I've almost decided not to because of the sheer number of them. But, now that I know about them, I have to find the other two versions of the G overprint, just one of each! I also collect varieties of the Victoria large and small Queens. I still am looking for the Bluenose "man on the mast" at a reasonable price. There's always something!!!
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16 Apr 2022
08:18:49pm
re: Canada: 1953 - 61 official issues
"I have not decided whether I want to try for the perfin officials, I've almost decided not to because of the sheer number of them."
Also, if you are considering any of the expensive ones, be aware that they are quite easy for a good tool and die maker to fake and there are a lot of fakes around.
Roy
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17 Apr 2022
08:05:36am
re: Canada: 1953 - 61 official issues
Thanks Roy, that's definitely a problem I have to consider. There's also so many of them and they don't show up that often. I'll probably pass on the perfins and spend my money on more exciting things!!
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