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Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
- Orange Red
- Rose
- Dull Red
- Copper or Indian red
I apologize for the sideways view...a bit technically challenged today. If you have an opinion one or more ID by: L1, R1
L2, R2
L3, R3
L4, R4
Hope that makes sense. I'm thinking the obvious one are L1, L2, and L3 as all Orange Red
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I have 3 or 4 copies of this one too with the wide color variation. I would love to know why. It could be the natural deterioration of the ink used or actual color variations at the time they were printed.
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07:35:03pm
According to my Unitrade for Canada this stamp, Scott #37, has 7 color shades: 37 - orange red, 37a - rose, 37b - copper or Indian red, 37c - dull red and 37e - red, 37i - dull rose, 37ii - dull red. Some of these have different perfs and paper types. I have a few of these, but with oxidizing of colours and fading of stamps it really seems to be a guessing game. The only thing I can say for sure is that you don't appear to have the copper variety since it tends to be darker. The other problem is that different computer screens tend to show colours differently. So what you're looking at might not be what I'm seeing on my screen. You need a bit of luck and lots of practice to figure these stamps out!!
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To further confuse the issue - Gibbons lists 7 colors (most with different names) and 3 paper types and assorted perf varieties..... Gibbons colors in the 2004 Commonwealth catalog are - Indian red , Pale Rose Red, Deep Rose Red, Dull red, Orange red, Rose carmine and Bright vermillion.
Add in Harveys accurate observations on the effects of fading and oxidation over the years, as well as the fact no two monitors show the same jpeg exactly the same and realize that accurate identification of minor color variances of used stamps on a computer monitor is like tilting at windmills.
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10:19:01pm
I sort of collect varieties of early Canada but the worst part is the many colour varieties. I do as little of this as possible because of oxidization and fading. Sometimes it really is impossible to tell. I mostly go with perforation differences and different papers. It makes a lot more sense and is easier to check. I hate watermarks but that's something else you have to put up with. The main things you need are time and patience - lots of both. I just opened the early part of my Unitrade and saw that #4 has 18 varieties, #35 has 17, #36 has 18, etc. You have to draw the line somewhere and realize you can't find them all. Of course #31, 32 and 33 only have one each, all you need is about $300 000!! Good luck, and have fun one stamp at a time, that's the only way to go!
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I believe that by only looking at #37 and the listed colour varieties you are missing the real choices. Look at #41, as these generally look like slight variations related to stated variables for the colour Vermilion (bright). Does this suggestion meet your visual perception? I am with other responders in having a number of this design that I hesitate to classify by shade since colour chips tend not to match the stated name in cases where one is the only choice (and thus seems to be a reference item for the colour). Better yet, wait and see if a true expert weighs in on this puzzle.
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07:58:31am
What might be fun, and a lot less frustrating, is to just pick one stamp and try to get as many of the varieties as possible. There's one on SOR that does that with one of the US Franklin stamps. Try to concentrate on something that's doable since some varieties on some stamps are out of reach of most, or all, of us. Trying to get everything for all the small or large Queens is way too much.
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I'm a former collector, now seller in retirement....for fun and profit. As I have a relatively newer store on Hipstamps (Troutbum Stamps) I am very careful to ID stamps correctly. Not doing so will kill any potential for repeat business. When in doubt, as here, I either throw them in an envelope that I will offer as a mixed bag, or I list at the lowest value.
This color stuff can drive you nuts. I'm OK with perfs, but am still not 100% on paper. Can anyone direct me to something about determining different types of paper.
Thanks for everyone's input.
BTW.....several months ago, I started mounting a bunch of Brit Commonwealth low value mint stamps with one one color option to a ledger to use as a reference in deterring stamp colors. LOL.....I found numerous instances of stamps described as the same color (deep green, yellow orange etc) that were obviously different from my mounted samples. And these are all newer stamps so fading not an explanation.
Still fun.
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Choices:
- Orange Red
- Rose
- Dull Red
- Copper or Indian red
I apologize for the sideways view...a bit technically challenged today. If you have an opinion one or more ID by: L1, R1
L2, R2
L3, R3
L4, R4
Hope that makes sense. I'm thinking the obvious one are L1, L2, and L3 as all Orange Red
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re: Wanted....Canada Small Queen color experts
I have 3 or 4 copies of this one too with the wide color variation. I would love to know why. It could be the natural deterioration of the ink used or actual color variations at the time they were printed.
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20 Nov 2022
07:35:03pm
re: Wanted....Canada Small Queen color experts
According to my Unitrade for Canada this stamp, Scott #37, has 7 color shades: 37 - orange red, 37a - rose, 37b - copper or Indian red, 37c - dull red and 37e - red, 37i - dull rose, 37ii - dull red. Some of these have different perfs and paper types. I have a few of these, but with oxidizing of colours and fading of stamps it really seems to be a guessing game. The only thing I can say for sure is that you don't appear to have the copper variety since it tends to be darker. The other problem is that different computer screens tend to show colours differently. So what you're looking at might not be what I'm seeing on my screen. You need a bit of luck and lots of practice to figure these stamps out!!
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re: Wanted....Canada Small Queen color experts
To further confuse the issue - Gibbons lists 7 colors (most with different names) and 3 paper types and assorted perf varieties..... Gibbons colors in the 2004 Commonwealth catalog are - Indian red , Pale Rose Red, Deep Rose Red, Dull red, Orange red, Rose carmine and Bright vermillion.
Add in Harveys accurate observations on the effects of fading and oxidation over the years, as well as the fact no two monitors show the same jpeg exactly the same and realize that accurate identification of minor color variances of used stamps on a computer monitor is like tilting at windmills.
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10:19:01pm
re: Wanted....Canada Small Queen color experts
I sort of collect varieties of early Canada but the worst part is the many colour varieties. I do as little of this as possible because of oxidization and fading. Sometimes it really is impossible to tell. I mostly go with perforation differences and different papers. It makes a lot more sense and is easier to check. I hate watermarks but that's something else you have to put up with. The main things you need are time and patience - lots of both. I just opened the early part of my Unitrade and saw that #4 has 18 varieties, #35 has 17, #36 has 18, etc. You have to draw the line somewhere and realize you can't find them all. Of course #31, 32 and 33 only have one each, all you need is about $300 000!! Good luck, and have fun one stamp at a time, that's the only way to go!
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re: Wanted....Canada Small Queen color experts
I believe that by only looking at #37 and the listed colour varieties you are missing the real choices. Look at #41, as these generally look like slight variations related to stated variables for the colour Vermilion (bright). Does this suggestion meet your visual perception? I am with other responders in having a number of this design that I hesitate to classify by shade since colour chips tend not to match the stated name in cases where one is the only choice (and thus seems to be a reference item for the colour). Better yet, wait and see if a true expert weighs in on this puzzle.
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21 Nov 2022
07:58:31am
re: Wanted....Canada Small Queen color experts
What might be fun, and a lot less frustrating, is to just pick one stamp and try to get as many of the varieties as possible. There's one on SOR that does that with one of the US Franklin stamps. Try to concentrate on something that's doable since some varieties on some stamps are out of reach of most, or all, of us. Trying to get everything for all the small or large Queens is way too much.
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re: Wanted....Canada Small Queen color experts
I'm a former collector, now seller in retirement....for fun and profit. As I have a relatively newer store on Hipstamps (Troutbum Stamps) I am very careful to ID stamps correctly. Not doing so will kill any potential for repeat business. When in doubt, as here, I either throw them in an envelope that I will offer as a mixed bag, or I list at the lowest value.
This color stuff can drive you nuts. I'm OK with perfs, but am still not 100% on paper. Can anyone direct me to something about determining different types of paper.
Thanks for everyone's input.
BTW.....several months ago, I started mounting a bunch of Brit Commonwealth low value mint stamps with one one color option to a ledger to use as a reference in deterring stamp colors. LOL.....I found numerous instances of stamps described as the same color (deep green, yellow orange etc) that were obviously different from my mounted samples. And these are all newer stamps so fading not an explanation.
Still fun.
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