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Is this stamp the same size than the last machin?
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Tony, yes same size as the previous datamatrix Machins. Will not be issued until April 4th. 2023.
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I wonder if the artist can get rid of my bald spot as easy.
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These are not just "English" stamps.
They will be available throughout "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
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England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Note that King Charles is not wearing a crown, unlike Queen Elizabeth II.
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"Note that King Charles is not wearing a crown, unlike Queen Elizabeth II."
So that means he is following the tradition of all kings before him since Edward VII.
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I actually think it is a bit of a missed chance that this new design tries very hard to emulate the Machins. Why has not something new been considered?...
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"Why has not something new been considered?..."
You will probably find that Royal Mail spent time effort and money developing the datamatrix system and found that this size, colourway etc ensured that the system would work 99% of the time.
Remember King Charles would have had a say in the design of the stamp. He may have thought that to have a major new design would be against tradition and he would want to show that his reign would be a continuation of the same rather than a complete radicalisation.
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I suspect Ian is on to something in his post honoring tradition and Charles, he who is actually known for hoving tradition, now honoring it. I think his silhouette is quite like his grand father's (George VI), so, in one fell swoop, he gets linked to George VI and Elizabeth II, or so it seems to me.
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I expect the post folks have been ready for several years - with the queen in her 90s they must have planned ahead very carefully. Charles may well strike out in a new direction at some time in the future - he's not just a slavish follower. I'm looking forward to the future!
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I wonder over how many stamps would the datamatrix be repeated being that millions of stamps are printed and only so many combination of squares are possible in such a small space.
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A lot!
I just played a bit with a barcode generator and this little QR code says 1000000000 (one billion), meaning a QR code of this size would be sufficient for 10 billion different numbers.
the QR code used on the British stamps is a lot larger and can contain much more information. Apart from a "serial number" it can easily have additional info on the type of stamp, printing date etc. etc.
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This quote from the Pannier corporation website
https://www.pannier.com/2d-data-matrix-c ...
"Data Matrix codes can store up to 3,116 numeric or 2,335 alphanumeric characters, more than 100 times as much data as a bar code the same size."
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So what would be the the number of stamps issued before the pattern is repeated?
And BTW we represent one billion like Jansimon mention but actually that's 1000 millions if we follow a sequential numbering count, which they do in Europe.
The datamatrix pattern I notice is the same so far for German and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (so I won't be corrected by Ian) that I've seen so far and in a grid of 16 x 47, 752 squares, how many combinations are possible taking in consideration that the 24th row is a solid line of squares?
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The stamp you showed has a code that reads JGB S19941017031053037180018509122101 8D2FF17AD273D58D01
Although it is not clear (at least to me it isn't) how the code is built up, it is evident that there is more than enough capacity in the system to prevent any worry of running out of unique codes.
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This article from the excellent Norvic site, will help with understanding the codes. The secondary code part is the unique identifier.
https://blog.norphil.co.uk/2023/02/king- ...
You will have to scroll up depending on how this loads.
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Using the detail given in the above link we get:-
JGB S199 4 1017031 05303718 00185 091221 01
S199 Value code
4 Source code, possibly booklet of 4
00185 Value in pence
091221 probable or close to printing date 9th Dec 2021
01 Shows it is a definitive.
I recall that the 05303718 is a unique number which changes sequentially for each stamp.
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The image based upon the same used on coins. I do not consider it a bad design but does not come across as original as the Machin. But do not think the Machin would have been as elegant if an image of QEII in her 70's would have been used.
There were some KEVIII and KGVI with more realist image.
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Question - what is the thing on the back of the King's neck?
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Hi Josh,
It's not clear from the image but it looks like part of a security slit as shown on the £1.85 Machin posted by StampCollector.
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Looking at the image on the web, they are security slits, there is one on the left as well but they do not show clearly.
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Thanks, that makes sense.
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Is this stamp the same size than the last machin?
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Tony, yes same size as the previous datamatrix Machins. Will not be issued until April 4th. 2023.
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I wonder if the artist can get rid of my bald spot as easy.
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re: One of the new english stamps
These are not just "English" stamps.
They will be available throughout "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
ie
England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Note that King Charles is not wearing a crown, unlike Queen Elizabeth II.
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"Note that King Charles is not wearing a crown, unlike Queen Elizabeth II."
So that means he is following the tradition of all kings before him since Edward VII.
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I actually think it is a bit of a missed chance that this new design tries very hard to emulate the Machins. Why has not something new been considered?...
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"Why has not something new been considered?..."
You will probably find that Royal Mail spent time effort and money developing the datamatrix system and found that this size, colourway etc ensured that the system would work 99% of the time.
Remember King Charles would have had a say in the design of the stamp. He may have thought that to have a major new design would be against tradition and he would want to show that his reign would be a continuation of the same rather than a complete radicalisation.
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I suspect Ian is on to something in his post honoring tradition and Charles, he who is actually known for hoving tradition, now honoring it. I think his silhouette is quite like his grand father's (George VI), so, in one fell swoop, he gets linked to George VI and Elizabeth II, or so it seems to me.
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I expect the post folks have been ready for several years - with the queen in her 90s they must have planned ahead very carefully. Charles may well strike out in a new direction at some time in the future - he's not just a slavish follower. I'm looking forward to the future!
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I wonder over how many stamps would the datamatrix be repeated being that millions of stamps are printed and only so many combination of squares are possible in such a small space.
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A lot!
I just played a bit with a barcode generator and this little QR code says 1000000000 (one billion), meaning a QR code of this size would be sufficient for 10 billion different numbers.
the QR code used on the British stamps is a lot larger and can contain much more information. Apart from a "serial number" it can easily have additional info on the type of stamp, printing date etc. etc.
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This quote from the Pannier corporation website
https://www.pannier.com/2d-data-matrix-c ...
"Data Matrix codes can store up to 3,116 numeric or 2,335 alphanumeric characters, more than 100 times as much data as a bar code the same size."
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re: One of the new english stamps
So what would be the the number of stamps issued before the pattern is repeated?
And BTW we represent one billion like Jansimon mention but actually that's 1000 millions if we follow a sequential numbering count, which they do in Europe.
The datamatrix pattern I notice is the same so far for German and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (so I won't be corrected by Ian) that I've seen so far and in a grid of 16 x 47, 752 squares, how many combinations are possible taking in consideration that the 24th row is a solid line of squares?
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re: One of the new english stamps
The stamp you showed has a code that reads JGB S19941017031053037180018509122101 8D2FF17AD273D58D01
Although it is not clear (at least to me it isn't) how the code is built up, it is evident that there is more than enough capacity in the system to prevent any worry of running out of unique codes.
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This article from the excellent Norvic site, will help with understanding the codes. The secondary code part is the unique identifier.
https://blog.norphil.co.uk/2023/02/king- ...
You will have to scroll up depending on how this loads.
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Using the detail given in the above link we get:-
JGB S199 4 1017031 05303718 00185 091221 01
S199 Value code
4 Source code, possibly booklet of 4
00185 Value in pence
091221 probable or close to printing date 9th Dec 2021
01 Shows it is a definitive.
I recall that the 05303718 is a unique number which changes sequentially for each stamp.
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The image based upon the same used on coins. I do not consider it a bad design but does not come across as original as the Machin. But do not think the Machin would have been as elegant if an image of QEII in her 70's would have been used.
There were some KEVIII and KGVI with more realist image.
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Question - what is the thing on the back of the King's neck?
Josh
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Hi Josh,
It's not clear from the image but it looks like part of a security slit as shown on the £1.85 Machin posted by StampCollector.
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Looking at the image on the web, they are security slits, there is one on the left as well but they do not show clearly.
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Thanks, that makes sense.
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