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I understand that European and American powers established post offices in other countries. But who used those post offices? Why didn't those nations use the postal systems that were in already in place? Was it just assumed that other countries didn't provide secure mail services?
These Indochina stamps puzzle me: Since Indochina was a French colonial entity, why weren't French stamps used in their post offices in China? Because of the proximity of Indochina to China, did Indochinese officials carry out business in China on behalf of France as well as Indochina, using overprinted Indochinese stamps? The Scott catalogue says that "Prior to 1923 several of the world powers maintained their own post office in China for the purposes of sending and receiving overseas mail." It goes on to say that French, not Indochinese, offices were maintained in Hoi Hao and Kouang-tchéou-wan among other cities.
Can someone please enlighten me?
Bob
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Bob... My information says that Kouang-tchéou-wan was leased to the French, but was still administered by Indochina. Kwangchouwan was leased, according to the Treaty of 29 May 1898, to the French for 99 years, sort of like what the British did in Hong Kong. Kwangchow Wan, while not a constituent part of Indochina, was effectively placed under the authority of the French Resident Superior in Tonkin (itself under the Governor-General of French Indochina, also in Hanoi); the French Resident was represented locally by Administrators. So, it would seem that having stamps of French Indochina overprinted would be appropriate.
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Hi @bobstamp
You can find information (history, geography, philately) on the website:
http://www.franceasie19.sitew.fr/Philate ...
It is written in French.
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Hi Bob,
I transleted the introdution related to the link that Gerom posted
The French post offices in China were among the postal services operated in China by foreign powers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Two types of French post office were opened in the main cities of this immense territory.
1-French offices, dependent on metropolitan France: Nine in number, these offices used French stamps overprinted with the word "CHINA". These were Shanghai (1862), Tien-Tsin (1889), Han-Keou and Tche-Fou (1898), Peking (1900), Amoy, Arsenal Pagoda, Fou-Tcheou and Ning-Po (1902).
2-The Indochinese offices in China were part of the Indochinese General Government, and their appearance coincided with the heyday of French expeditions to the Far East. There were six of them (): Mongtseu, Yunnanfou and Hoi-Hao (1900), Canton (1901), Packoï and Tchong-King (1902). They used
Indochina stamps overprinted with their names , with the exception of the two general series overprinted "CHINA".
All these French offices were closed on December 31, 1922, after an international treaty returned the foreign concessions to China. The territory of Kuang-Tchéou Wan ()leased to France in 1902 had a different status from the other offices. It was administered by France until 1945, when it was returned to China.
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Here is what I have but not mounted on pages yet.
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The "Groupe" type stamps from Indochina were overprinted with the names of the offices in China.
Some are genuine:
Some are total forgeries (stamp and overprint):
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This is rather puzzling. I'm certain that I posted some comments to this thread, thanking the members who responded to my original question, but my comments just aren't there. Anyway, yes, thank you very much. Once again the collegiality of StampoRama members is clearly evident. I especially appreciate Foudutimbre's translation and the images of stamps from members' collections. I haven't decided whether to include the Indo-China Chinese post office issues in my Indo-China collection, but I probably will.
Does anyone know of any album pages designed for these stamps? Apparently the Palo albums don't include them, but their website is just about impossible to use.
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Did you confirm with Palo? Since Palo is based upon Steiner pages and Steiner has pages, I would think they would. In Steiner, the spaces are on the "French Offices" pages. These cover China as well as offices in Port Said, Lavant, etc.
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Thank you, Joel. I only started looking on the weekend, when Palo was closed. I'll get in touch with them today.
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I have these three stamps in my Indochina collection, but I know little about them.
I understand that European and American powers established post offices in other countries. But who used those post offices? Why didn't those nations use the postal systems that were in already in place? Was it just assumed that other countries didn't provide secure mail services?
These Indochina stamps puzzle me: Since Indochina was a French colonial entity, why weren't French stamps used in their post offices in China? Because of the proximity of Indochina to China, did Indochinese officials carry out business in China on behalf of France as well as Indochina, using overprinted Indochinese stamps? The Scott catalogue says that "Prior to 1923 several of the world powers maintained their own post office in China for the purposes of sending and receiving overseas mail." It goes on to say that French, not Indochinese, offices were maintained in Hoi Hao and Kouang-tchéou-wan among other cities.
Can someone please enlighten me?
Bob
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Bob... My information says that Kouang-tchéou-wan was leased to the French, but was still administered by Indochina. Kwangchouwan was leased, according to the Treaty of 29 May 1898, to the French for 99 years, sort of like what the British did in Hong Kong. Kwangchow Wan, while not a constituent part of Indochina, was effectively placed under the authority of the French Resident Superior in Tonkin (itself under the Governor-General of French Indochina, also in Hanoi); the French Resident was represented locally by Administrators. So, it would seem that having stamps of French Indochina overprinted would be appropriate.
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Hi @bobstamp
You can find information (history, geography, philately) on the website:
http://www.franceasie19.sitew.fr/Philate ...
It is written in French.
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Hi Bob,
I transleted the introdution related to the link that Gerom posted
The French post offices in China were among the postal services operated in China by foreign powers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Two types of French post office were opened in the main cities of this immense territory.
1-French offices, dependent on metropolitan France: Nine in number, these offices used French stamps overprinted with the word "CHINA". These were Shanghai (1862), Tien-Tsin (1889), Han-Keou and Tche-Fou (1898), Peking (1900), Amoy, Arsenal Pagoda, Fou-Tcheou and Ning-Po (1902).
2-The Indochinese offices in China were part of the Indochinese General Government, and their appearance coincided with the heyday of French expeditions to the Far East. There were six of them (): Mongtseu, Yunnanfou and Hoi-Hao (1900), Canton (1901), Packoï and Tchong-King (1902). They used
Indochina stamps overprinted with their names , with the exception of the two general series overprinted "CHINA".
All these French offices were closed on December 31, 1922, after an international treaty returned the foreign concessions to China. The territory of Kuang-Tchéou Wan ()leased to France in 1902 had a different status from the other offices. It was administered by France until 1945, when it was returned to China.
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Here is what I have but not mounted on pages yet.
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re: Indo-China post offices in China
The "Groupe" type stamps from Indochina were overprinted with the names of the offices in China.
Some are genuine:
Some are total forgeries (stamp and overprint):
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This is rather puzzling. I'm certain that I posted some comments to this thread, thanking the members who responded to my original question, but my comments just aren't there. Anyway, yes, thank you very much. Once again the collegiality of StampoRama members is clearly evident. I especially appreciate Foudutimbre's translation and the images of stamps from members' collections. I haven't decided whether to include the Indo-China Chinese post office issues in my Indo-China collection, but I probably will.
Does anyone know of any album pages designed for these stamps? Apparently the Palo albums don't include them, but their website is just about impossible to use.
Bob
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re: Indo-China post offices in China
Did you confirm with Palo? Since Palo is based upon Steiner pages and Steiner has pages, I would think they would. In Steiner, the spaces are on the "French Offices" pages. These cover China as well as offices in Port Said, Lavant, etc.
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Thank you, Joel. I only started looking on the weekend, when Palo was closed. I'll get in touch with them today.
Bob
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