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Hi Roy,
It doesn't look right to me at all but the first test is that the paper should have a clear crown over A watermark.
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Unfortunately yours is a reproduction (fake), not worth anything, the perfs are incorrect and the colour is wrong. Also the real thing has a watermark, the reproduction does not. The real thing is worth around $12,000, the reproduction is worthless. The stamp (vignette/cinderella/label) below is authentic, notice the different perfs and how they look at the corners of the stamp and the deep blue colour. The paper is also different.
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In your usual deprecating style Rob.
They are not "worthless". Considering the scarcity of the genuine item, this is the only way that most people can include the item in their collection. I regularly sell them at auction for $10-$20 each. Not much, but there's a market for them.
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My comment may be depreciating to some, but I like to tell the truth about them, the reprints were mass produced. I had about 7 of the reprints a few years ago, I gave them all away. If you like to make a little profit from these facsimiles, good, to me these facsimiles have no value.
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Considering the low purchasing power of the dollar these days, I don’t see a charge of $10 or $20 for a “worthless” item as anything but reasonable compensation for the seller’s effort as long as that seller doesn’t try to pass them off as having commercial value. I would include the reproduction in my collection if I collected early airmail stamps, and I’d happily pay for it. I already have a number of reproductions/fakes/bogus issues in my collection, including a couple that cost in the $30-$40 range. I know that they cannot possibly be thought of as investment, but do I care? Nope.
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I have to agree with Bob.... I collect world airmail stamps and this reproduction is a welcome addition to my collection (I paid $5 for it). I have several excellent reproductions of airmail stamps who's authentic issues catalog in the $30K-$40K range. I also have many certified stamps in the $500 to $2,500 range. All the reproductions in my collection are so annotated on the pages in which they are mounted. I collect what I can afford, and what is of interest to me.
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I understand why people will buy reproductions as a filler, though I would rather buy a postal forgery that would be worth the wait, I have a postal forgery that is very valuable, not just from a catalogue, but how much it cost me. I had the opportunity to purchase the authentic stamp but the demand for the cinderella is low. And even though I will never sell my stamps, the 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella though extremely rare, is not currently a popular stamp.
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Hi Terry, I see your point.
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Can anyone offer an identification of this item, and possibly a value?
Mint, never hinged.
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re: Help with ID of 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella
Hi Roy,
It doesn't look right to me at all but the first test is that the paper should have a clear crown over A watermark.
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re: Help with ID of 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella
Unfortunately yours is a reproduction (fake), not worth anything, the perfs are incorrect and the colour is wrong. Also the real thing has a watermark, the reproduction does not. The real thing is worth around $12,000, the reproduction is worthless. The stamp (vignette/cinderella/label) below is authentic, notice the different perfs and how they look at the corners of the stamp and the deep blue colour. The paper is also different.
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re: Help with ID of 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella
In your usual deprecating style Rob.
They are not "worthless". Considering the scarcity of the genuine item, this is the only way that most people can include the item in their collection. I regularly sell them at auction for $10-$20 each. Not much, but there's a market for them.
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re: Help with ID of 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella
My comment may be depreciating to some, but I like to tell the truth about them, the reprints were mass produced. I had about 7 of the reprints a few years ago, I gave them all away. If you like to make a little profit from these facsimiles, good, to me these facsimiles have no value.
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re: Help with ID of 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella
Considering the low purchasing power of the dollar these days, I don’t see a charge of $10 or $20 for a “worthless” item as anything but reasonable compensation for the seller’s effort as long as that seller doesn’t try to pass them off as having commercial value. I would include the reproduction in my collection if I collected early airmail stamps, and I’d happily pay for it. I already have a number of reproductions/fakes/bogus issues in my collection, including a couple that cost in the $30-$40 range. I know that they cannot possibly be thought of as investment, but do I care? Nope.
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re: Help with ID of 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella
I have to agree with Bob.... I collect world airmail stamps and this reproduction is a welcome addition to my collection (I paid $5 for it). I have several excellent reproductions of airmail stamps who's authentic issues catalog in the $30K-$40K range. I also have many certified stamps in the $500 to $2,500 range. All the reproductions in my collection are so annotated on the pages in which they are mounted. I collect what I can afford, and what is of interest to me.
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re: Help with ID of 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella
I understand why people will buy reproductions as a filler, though I would rather buy a postal forgery that would be worth the wait, I have a postal forgery that is very valuable, not just from a catalogue, but how much it cost me. I had the opportunity to purchase the authentic stamp but the demand for the cinderella is low. And even though I will never sell my stamps, the 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella though extremely rare, is not currently a popular stamp.
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re: Help with ID of 1919 England-Australia First Aerial Post cinderella
Hi Terry, I see your point.
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