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I have sorted a large bag of Britsh kiloware and have wound up with hundreds of the self adhesive 2nd light blue and 1st gold machins. They are earlier than the ones with security slits and seem to be soakable. Some have the larger font denomination at the top (PIP?). I am trying to make sense of the Adminware site to see if they are all the same or if I should look for any varieties? Ex: for the 1st gold, there are five items in the list, but none seem like you could distinguish the used stamps apart.
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Josh
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Where the pages show more than one of a type, it is because they come with straight edges on various sides, from booklets.
Here are the relevant pages from SG concise, 2017 edition.
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Adminware listings are far more specialized than the SG Concise. It adds printers and sources (sheet, booklet, coil, prestige booklet) as varieties. You need a specialist manual like Deegam. Adminware is a more "digestible" summary of Deegam. it is overwhelming.
https://www.deegam.com/seite.mv?20-00-00 ...
For example, for the 1st Gold non security types. The first one came out in 1997 and the last was issued in 2017. It was printed many times.
Printer - Harrison/DLR, Walsall, Questa, Enschede. These can usually be identified by perfs, small design features.
Perforation - 15x14 or 14
Gum - water activated gum and self- adhesive
Print Technology - lithographed and gravure
Value type - the "1st" can vary in thickness (Deegam assigns a T value for type). This can isolate variety.
Sources: sheet, booklet (sometimes straight edges help identify), coil, prestige booklet/souvenir sheets.
The prestige booklet varieties are less likely to show up in mass accumulations.
It just depends on how deep you want to go. As noted, SG Concise does not always identify every printer variation.
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This sales listing might be of some help.
https://www.stampsforsale.co.uk/catalogu ...
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I think so, thanks. It is just a bit to go through...
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The challenge with Machins is that you can go very deep and you have to draw the line somewhere if you want to organize on a page. In some cases, I find it impossible to identify to the Deegam level and Deegam has its problems. I disagree with Deegam's cataloging method for perf varieties, They relegate to tier 3 and I consider a primary (tier 1) like parameter.
For me, I use SG Concise as a base but add EME, printers, and sometimes sources (with suffix) for numbering so I had to create a custom listing so I could track. Or, another way to say it, it is based upon Adminware's Intermediate level Machin page content with ID by SG Concise but added printers and excluded source (coil, sheet, etc) unless there was some other difference like the printer. The twist I have been trying and stalled was to organize by date not denomination. I do not collect gum types,
Here is a screenshot of my spreadsheet.
Some key columns:
1. Column C - C for collectm X for do not collect
2. Column N - This is SG number and will have a suffix if it is a subvariety of base SG number.
3. Column T - This is the Adminware Intermediate Album page, Format: (page).(row(column)(Subvariety if not split in Adminware)
Adminware Intermediate pages with my notes,
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Thanks again. Followup question - I have at least soaked and sorted by denomination most of the stamps.
I literally have hundreds each left of the self adhesive 1st class Gold and 2nd class light blue still on paper from kiloware - I cannot see any noticeable differences between them. Are they worth soaking and saving to look for varieties later? Or should I put in my sell/giveaway pile like I do with the self adhesive Christmas stamps you find hundreds of in kiloware?
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Josh
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If you have all the varieties that are in SG Concise then you consider it done. Or, go deeper. This gets to where you are on your own to draw the line. There is a SG Specialized that uses a completely different numbering system but I have been told it has numerous problems since it has not been updated.
I did not even mention varieties like phosphor band shift / widths, etc.
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Hi All,
I have sorted a large bag of Britsh kiloware and have wound up with hundreds of the self adhesive 2nd light blue and 1st gold machins. They are earlier than the ones with security slits and seem to be soakable. Some have the larger font denomination at the top (PIP?). I am trying to make sense of the Adminware site to see if they are all the same or if I should look for any varieties? Ex: for the 1st gold, there are five items in the list, but none seem like you could distinguish the used stamps apart.
Thanks,
Josh
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re: Used Common 1st/2nd SA Machin varieties?
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re: Used Common 1st/2nd SA Machin varieties?
Where the pages show more than one of a type, it is because they come with straight edges on various sides, from booklets.
Here are the relevant pages from SG concise, 2017 edition.
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re: Used Common 1st/2nd SA Machin varieties?
Adminware listings are far more specialized than the SG Concise. It adds printers and sources (sheet, booklet, coil, prestige booklet) as varieties. You need a specialist manual like Deegam. Adminware is a more "digestible" summary of Deegam. it is overwhelming.
https://www.deegam.com/seite.mv?20-00-00 ...
For example, for the 1st Gold non security types. The first one came out in 1997 and the last was issued in 2017. It was printed many times.
Printer - Harrison/DLR, Walsall, Questa, Enschede. These can usually be identified by perfs, small design features.
Perforation - 15x14 or 14
Gum - water activated gum and self- adhesive
Print Technology - lithographed and gravure
Value type - the "1st" can vary in thickness (Deegam assigns a T value for type). This can isolate variety.
Sources: sheet, booklet (sometimes straight edges help identify), coil, prestige booklet/souvenir sheets.
The prestige booklet varieties are less likely to show up in mass accumulations.
It just depends on how deep you want to go. As noted, SG Concise does not always identify every printer variation.
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re: Used Common 1st/2nd SA Machin varieties?
This sales listing might be of some help.
https://www.stampsforsale.co.uk/catalogu ...
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re: Used Common 1st/2nd SA Machin varieties?
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re: Used Common 1st/2nd SA Machin varieties?
I think so, thanks. It is just a bit to go through...
Josh
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re: Used Common 1st/2nd SA Machin varieties?
The challenge with Machins is that you can go very deep and you have to draw the line somewhere if you want to organize on a page. In some cases, I find it impossible to identify to the Deegam level and Deegam has its problems. I disagree with Deegam's cataloging method for perf varieties, They relegate to tier 3 and I consider a primary (tier 1) like parameter.
For me, I use SG Concise as a base but add EME, printers, and sometimes sources (with suffix) for numbering so I had to create a custom listing so I could track. Or, another way to say it, it is based upon Adminware's Intermediate level Machin page content with ID by SG Concise but added printers and excluded source (coil, sheet, etc) unless there was some other difference like the printer. The twist I have been trying and stalled was to organize by date not denomination. I do not collect gum types,
Here is a screenshot of my spreadsheet.
Some key columns:
1. Column C - C for collectm X for do not collect
2. Column N - This is SG number and will have a suffix if it is a subvariety of base SG number.
3. Column T - This is the Adminware Intermediate Album page, Format: (page).(row(column)(Subvariety if not split in Adminware)
Adminware Intermediate pages with my notes,
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re: Used Common 1st/2nd SA Machin varieties?
Thanks again. Followup question - I have at least soaked and sorted by denomination most of the stamps.
I literally have hundreds each left of the self adhesive 1st class Gold and 2nd class light blue still on paper from kiloware - I cannot see any noticeable differences between them. Are they worth soaking and saving to look for varieties later? Or should I put in my sell/giveaway pile like I do with the self adhesive Christmas stamps you find hundreds of in kiloware?
Thanks,
Josh
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re: Used Common 1st/2nd SA Machin varieties?
If you have all the varieties that are in SG Concise then you consider it done. Or, go deeper. This gets to where you are on your own to draw the line. There is a SG Specialized that uses a completely different numbering system but I have been told it has numerous problems since it has not been updated.
I did not even mention varieties like phosphor band shift / widths, etc.
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