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The thread that ties these together is a Mermaid topical collection.
1. The first one is listed in a UPU Circular. DEFINITELY ILLEGAL
2. I thought this was illegal, but found it listed on colnect as:
Mi: CF 5715-5718KB
Yt: CF 4044-4047
If that one is actually legit, especially since it is numbered as 0356/1000 (so just one in a thousand) is the next one legit as well?
3. Here is the imperf version:
Is that legit pane 19 of 50?
It just sounds too good to be true.
Are the catalog listings bogus? Are these forgeries of real issues?
4. Here is a minisheet from Guinea that I expected to be illegal, but found these listings:
Mi: GN 8921-8923
Yt: GN 6085-6087
5. One more from Guinea, and here are the listings from colnect:
Mi: GN 9138
Yt: Unlisted - so maybe this one is a bit more suspect, eh?
6. The last one I could find listed as illegal on GoLowesStamps.com
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My question would be... Just because it's in a catalog, or listed on-line, does that make it "legal"?
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"My question would be... Just because it's in a catalog, or listed on-line, does that make it "legal"?"
If it's listed in a UPU bulletin as illegal, then that should settle it.
If it still isn't listed in a catalog after 20 years, then it's probably not legit.
My understanding is the Michel is more lenient on what they list, so if it's ONLY listed there, maybe not legit.
If it's listed in Michel, Y&T, SG, and Scott, then I would consider it legit.
But there are several that are murky, unfortuately.
The first one is listed in a UPU circular, so it's definitely illegal.
The last one is listed as illegal on GolowesStamps.com. That's a reference londonbus showed me. I will call that very likely illegal.
The four in the middle are more uncertain. I suspect Alla Pavlova is illegal since there is only the Michel number, but if any of those have Scott numbers or SG numbers, I would consider them legit. I was just surprised at the Ilya Repin panes. I expected them to be bogus. My Scott worldwide is dated 2015 so I can't find them there.
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Is it legal or illegal? -- This may be the wrong question. My criteria is rather "Was it primarily issued for use as postage in the issuing country?" In these cases, probably not. Then again, the U.S. has its own history of questionable issues, manufactured as political favors, not for use as postage. Farley's Follies come to mind here.
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I certainly don't make a point of collecting illegal stamps, but sometimes (not often!) they serve a purpose. My purpose, anyway!
Jane Fonda, for obvious reasons (not that I agree with them) will never be featured on an American stamp, but when I was working on an exhibit about the Vietnam War I wanted to mention the "Jane Fonda Controversy". For the uninitiated, Jane, the daughter of Henry Fonda, got in political hot water for being photographed in the "gunner's seat" of a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun at a time when American pilots were routinely being shot down and imprisoned in North Vietnam. Not a smart move, Fonda! But I wanted a stamp to use to help illustrate that episode. And I found one, probably an illegal issue from the Democratic Republic of Congo (I never bothered checking). Here it is (her stamp is the one at the upper left):
I would say that the title of the mini-sheet, Sex Bombs du XX cine Siecle (Sex Bombs of 20th Century movies), is appropriate; Fonda really bombed!
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Some African countries have authorised certain companies (based in Europe) to print stamps in their names and place them on the market in return for certain royalties. A portion of the stamps is given to the country in question for its use. Although these stamps are considered legal, which allows them to be included in quotation catalogues, the fact remains - and this is only my opinion - that they are still abusive issues because although these stamps are considered legal, which allows them to be included in the quotation catalogues, they are still - and this is only my opinion - abusive issues because there is no indication of the number of stamps issued and the high face value, which has nothing to do with the postage rate or the purchasing power of the citizens of these countries.
In addition, these same publishers or others print illegal stamps without the authorisation of the countries concerned and put them on the market with impunity, making money off collectors. The proof is these 2 issues from Algeria that I spotted on the Delcampe website, which is doing everything it can to stop them being published.
my reference points are always the evolution of the addition of issues to the recognised listing catalogues
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Several years ago I bought six souvenir sheets from African countries expecting them to be illegal. I planned to use them in an album as an example of illegal issues. I was right about two of them, but the rest I'm not so sure. Any help is appreciated.
The thread that ties these together is a Mermaid topical collection.
1. The first one is listed in a UPU Circular. DEFINITELY ILLEGAL
2. I thought this was illegal, but found it listed on colnect as:
Mi: CF 5715-5718KB
Yt: CF 4044-4047
If that one is actually legit, especially since it is numbered as 0356/1000 (so just one in a thousand) is the next one legit as well?
3. Here is the imperf version:
Is that legit pane 19 of 50?
It just sounds too good to be true.
Are the catalog listings bogus? Are these forgeries of real issues?
4. Here is a minisheet from Guinea that I expected to be illegal, but found these listings:
Mi: GN 8921-8923
Yt: GN 6085-6087
5. One more from Guinea, and here are the listings from colnect:
Mi: GN 9138
Yt: Unlisted - so maybe this one is a bit more suspect, eh?
6. The last one I could find listed as illegal on GoLowesStamps.com
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re: Legal or Illegal issues from Africa
My question would be... Just because it's in a catalog, or listed on-line, does that make it "legal"?
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"My question would be... Just because it's in a catalog, or listed on-line, does that make it "legal"?"
If it's listed in a UPU bulletin as illegal, then that should settle it.
If it still isn't listed in a catalog after 20 years, then it's probably not legit.
My understanding is the Michel is more lenient on what they list, so if it's ONLY listed there, maybe not legit.
If it's listed in Michel, Y&T, SG, and Scott, then I would consider it legit.
But there are several that are murky, unfortuately.
The first one is listed in a UPU circular, so it's definitely illegal.
The last one is listed as illegal on GolowesStamps.com. That's a reference londonbus showed me. I will call that very likely illegal.
The four in the middle are more uncertain. I suspect Alla Pavlova is illegal since there is only the Michel number, but if any of those have Scott numbers or SG numbers, I would consider them legit. I was just surprised at the Ilya Repin panes. I expected them to be bogus. My Scott worldwide is dated 2015 so I can't find them there.
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re: Legal or Illegal issues from Africa
Is it legal or illegal? -- This may be the wrong question. My criteria is rather "Was it primarily issued for use as postage in the issuing country?" In these cases, probably not. Then again, the U.S. has its own history of questionable issues, manufactured as political favors, not for use as postage. Farley's Follies come to mind here.
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re: Legal or Illegal issues from Africa
I certainly don't make a point of collecting illegal stamps, but sometimes (not often!) they serve a purpose. My purpose, anyway!
Jane Fonda, for obvious reasons (not that I agree with them) will never be featured on an American stamp, but when I was working on an exhibit about the Vietnam War I wanted to mention the "Jane Fonda Controversy". For the uninitiated, Jane, the daughter of Henry Fonda, got in political hot water for being photographed in the "gunner's seat" of a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun at a time when American pilots were routinely being shot down and imprisoned in North Vietnam. Not a smart move, Fonda! But I wanted a stamp to use to help illustrate that episode. And I found one, probably an illegal issue from the Democratic Republic of Congo (I never bothered checking). Here it is (her stamp is the one at the upper left):
I would say that the title of the mini-sheet, Sex Bombs du XX cine Siecle (Sex Bombs of 20th Century movies), is appropriate; Fonda really bombed!
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re: Legal or Illegal issues from Africa
Some African countries have authorised certain companies (based in Europe) to print stamps in their names and place them on the market in return for certain royalties. A portion of the stamps is given to the country in question for its use. Although these stamps are considered legal, which allows them to be included in quotation catalogues, the fact remains - and this is only my opinion - that they are still abusive issues because although these stamps are considered legal, which allows them to be included in the quotation catalogues, they are still - and this is only my opinion - abusive issues because there is no indication of the number of stamps issued and the high face value, which has nothing to do with the postage rate or the purchasing power of the citizens of these countries.
In addition, these same publishers or others print illegal stamps without the authorisation of the countries concerned and put them on the market with impunity, making money off collectors. The proof is these 2 issues from Algeria that I spotted on the Delcampe website, which is doing everything it can to stop them being published.
my reference points are always the evolution of the addition of issues to the recognised listing catalogues
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