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10:02:58pm
Stamporama "Clothesline Exhibit" Competition #2
I can't believe it has been 9 years since we last did this.
Stamporama Clothesline Exhibit Competition #1 (link)
I think it's about time we did it again. So here goes:
My local club http://www.kingstonstampclub.ca occasionally has a "Clothesline Exhibit" night. For those not familiar with the concept, allow me to explain. It is a friendly competition consisting of small exhibits strung along a clothesline with clothespins -- very informal, and a lot of fun.
I thought it would be fun to sponsor such a competition right here.
Rules are very simple.
1) Entrants post a ONE to THREE PAGE exhibit in this thread.
2) Photos should be reduced to 800-900 pixels wide to allow for comfortable viewing (excessively wide photos disrupt viewing).
3) Explanatory text is allowed and encouraged, even if it is already on the page, as it gives search engines (both internal to SOR and external like Google) something to find.
4) Philatelic discussion of exhibits is welcome, but leave out the "Chat Room" stuff ("Hey Joe, I didn't know you had such nice stamps" --- use the Message System for such private messages.)
5) New entries may be posted right up until the close, but since voting will be done by "Likes" late entries won't have much time to gather votes. The earlier the better!
Selection of the "Winners" and Prizes
6) We are all winners by being able to see and share all the pages to come, but at the end of the voting period the top two "most popular" exhibits will each be awarded a US$10 gift certificate (with free shipping) to be used on their choice of BuckaCover.com (http://www.buckacover.com) or Discount Stamp Shop (http://www.discountstampshop.com)
7) Voting for "Most Popular" will be through use of the "Like" button. Voters may cast a vote at any time, but it is recommended that you withhold your vote until all entries have been posted, otherwise you are just "splitting your vote", however there is no limit on the number of entries on which you may vote.
8) Voting will close at 6pm EST Friday Feb. 28.
9) The two exhibits with the most "likes" at that time will win $10 gift certificates.
Please PM me if I have left anything out.
Roy
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Roy,
When you refer to a "page", should we be thinking 8 1/2" x 11"?
Thanks Roy.
Ernie
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11:41:11am
"When you refer to a "page", should we be thinking 8 1/2" x 11"?"
Exact size of the page doesn't really matter, as you are going to reduce it to an image that is 800-900 pixels wide to fit the Discussion Board. There is also a maximum height to images posted on the DB (Somewhere around 1250px if I recall correctly).
So the "page" doesn't matter, but the image does.
But if the stamps aren't visible, votes may be hard to come by.
Roy
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11:46:33am
Here is a sample page. It's one of mine, so it's "non-competitive".
"Likes" won't count (don't want my own prize!) but will be appreciated!
Roy
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I must be missing something here.
(I know your scan is just a sample), but would you use a cloth pen to pin it to a string or rope?
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12:52:48pm
" but would you use a cloth pen to pin it to a string or rope?"
Not really relevant for digital displays on Stamporama, but yes, at the club we would insert a page into a sheet protector and use a clothes pin (not a "cloth pen") to hang it from a string strung against the wall.
Roy
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And for our English readers it would be a clothes peg.
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Good suggestion, Roy. I’ve already got an idea for a three-pager.
Just one problem (something that’s bothered me for ages)! If no one follows this post up I the next day, the thread will disappear. If someone remembers the thread’s heading, or the names/usernames of any of the posters, they might do a search, but in my experience the Stamporama search engine is almost useless, even for my own posts. And any new members won’t even be aware of the clothesline contest.
I belong to two scale-model groups. Discussions in any of several general topics, listed alphabetically, are readily available whether the last post was ten days or ten years ago. I can go to my profile and find a link to all of my posts, listed by date and subject. We can’t do anything like that in Stamporama. The only downside to the model groups is that the images that illustrated many earlier posts are missing because the image p-storing services that poster’s were using have gone belly up. But Stamporama solved that problem at its inception, thanks to Roy.
I have to say that I’ve about given up on writing long posts because they disappear after a day and will likely never be noticed again (assuming they don’t generate enough interest to maintain an energetic discussion). At the very least, I’d like to see changes that would make it easy for new members to access and respond to earlier discussions. I have no idea what programming challenges would be involved, but if my suggestion could bear fruit, it might help to bring in many new members. As it is, we seem to be shrivelling on the vine!
Bob
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Maxicard about a NATO partnership (USA and Romania), back in the day when NATO was respected by everybody...
I have designed the personalized postage stamp at Zazzle.
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Hello everyone!
Here is my entry!
It is called Moens Reprints of the Popular Bergedorf Stamps.
I created it after I received a set of facsimile Bergedorf stamps.
I thought they were regular old fakes, until I learned these are historic fakes. Sort of like Sperati copies, but a lot less expensive!
I hope you like my presentation, and lets get this contest, and likes going!
-Ari 
Link if you like: bit.ly/MoensRep (It is case sensitive and must be as shown.)
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In 2013 I was the editor/publisher of one of the study unit journals of the American Topical Association. Membership in that unit included over 60 members residing outside the United States that required over $4.00 in postage to mail our 24-page, 8½ x 11-inch quarterly journal as a USPS flat. So over the ensuing years I purchased thousands of the $2 Jenny stamp, not only for the ease of using a high value stamp on the envelopes, but also in the hope that I would be lucky enough to obtain an “Upright” Jenny. No such luck.
But when I was ordering new stamps for my personal use at a rate change, I ordered three panes of the Jenny: one for me, one for my wife and one for our then current dog, Mr. Bunter. Mr. Bunter won the Upright Jenny. 
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Michaelxxx won a similar upright jenny sheet if my recollections are correct. That is 2 in this Club.
What are the odds? 33 sheets found, 2 at SOR, so 6%!
rrr...
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Nice exhibit, Agatha.
Michaelxxx won a similar upright jenny sheet if my recollections are correct. That is 2 in this Club.
What are the odds? 33 sheets found, 2 at SOR, so 6%! Pretty good!
rrr...
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Its quite the odds!
Remember to scroll up for other entries, as the thread gets longer.
-Ari 
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"I have to say that I’ve about given up on writing long posts because they disappear after a day and will likely never be noticed again (assuming they don’t generate enough interest to maintain an energetic discussion). At the very least, I’d like to see changes that would make it easy for new members to access and respond to earlier discussions. I have no idea what programming challenges would be involved, but if my suggestion could bear fruit, it might help to bring in many new members. As it is, we seem to be shrivelling on the vine Bob"
I often try to find old articles that dealt with some topics of interest on the Discussion Board, and I use the Keyword Search function.
It is excellent!
But you are right, Bob. Thousands of great information over years of active participation are buried in the discussion belly. If you don't know about it, and don't know how to find something, you will not find it. Discussion Posts are gone in a blink of the eye.
There is a section for RESEARCH, and years ago there was the idea of extracting some of the Discussion Posts that would merit being saved and indexed, under RESEARCH. Don't know if some was done or not...I know Siem, JS mentioned something my failing memory no longer remembers. It was a huge job, anyway!
I wrote on the Discussion Board, years ago, a series of research articles on the stamps of the French and British Mandate in the Middle East. I was going to transfer them to the Research section, but gave up as the process at the time was complicated. Ideally IF one could just copy the discussion title and the specific link to the article, it would greatly add value to our research capability.
Here is as an example of what I am referring to: (this is the first among +/- 10 titles on the subject. I wrote it, back 5-10 years ago
Article
title:
Stamps of the French Mandate Area for Syria and Lebanon, Part 1. Ile ROUAD
Link: https://stamporama.com/discboard/d ... 125143
Searching on keywords and then clicking on the link (all so easy to do) brings you to the Whole discussion starting from the last post, and all preceding comments. Ie the whole discussion thread.
If it was possible to simply link the First post to the research section, ( or any subsequent individual post, not the whole thread) onr could add to the RESEARCH via links, and transfer to the research adding value to this section. It is currently tedious and labor intensive to copy Discussion Board "Research" or other material (such as collection pages) to the Research section. Last time I tried, there were format issues, with bold, italics, etc...
Still one can never off-hand find a topic of interest easily, so like all libraries, unless you have an Index that is handy, and you know how to search for an item, the book remains on the shelves.
Curious how many members use the research section?
incidentally Bob comments, and this discussion merits being moved under its own section: HOW To FIND OLD RESEARCH ARTICLES
rrr..
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Hi folks,
Linn''s reported that as of December 22, 2022, 43 upright Jenny panes have been found. Others may have been found but the owners may not have wanted to disclose their existence.
Linn's also reported that they received an email on August 2023 from USPS spokesman Jim McKean that the #2 Inverted Jenny stamp is no longer available from the USPS. Whether that means that they have sold out or that they were withdrawn from sale, I don''t know. In the past I have tried to purchase at some of the local post offices in my area stamps that had been withdrawn from sale and could not do so as once the command comes down from Stamp Services, they can't ring up any sales on those stamps even it they still have them in their drawers. They don't show up in their sales computers.
I remember when I was just starting out in this hobby, I would visit one of the local post offices in central New Jersey and the postmaster would bring out a counter book with stamps going back decades and let me buy whatever I wanted. Oh, the days. Unfortunately, funds were scarce and I couldn't buy much.
I am curious to see what will happen with the $2 Jenny now that it is no longer available.
Fred
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Thank you for your response, rrraphy. I was beginning to think that no one had read my post, or agreed with it!
Your comments about SOR’s search function are useful, but of little value to visitors or new members, especially if they are novice collectors. I have no statistics to support my opinion, but it seems to me that this discussion board is dying without a whimper. I think that our chance of growth would best be served by making it easy for anyone to skim through an historical database of old posts, which at this time is not possible if a thread has “died” after only one day.
Bobstamp / Bob
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06:19:16pm
"I think that our chance of growth would best be served by making it easy for anyone to skim through an historical database of old posts, "
I think, if possible, this would be an incredible idea. A few times I have gone looking for an old post for information. Occasionally I get lucky but usually I end up saying "the H*** with it" and move on to some other task. I can't remember where this came from but I remember reading somewhere that "we have to accomplish six impossible things before breakfast". This very much seems to apply here!!!!
EDIT: I did a bit of research. Lewis Carroll in Alice in Wonderland said "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
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Yes, there was some info here on a Bergedorf stamp, a similar looking stamp to the entry I posted.
I tried to find it a month later, and I spent 5 mins looking for it!
-Ari
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08:36:59pm
This idea of indexing the posts on the DB is a worthy subject, but could we move it elsewhere? It's hijacking the competition and if it goes on any longer viewers are going to lose the idea of the competition and tune out.
To everyone reading this: Is there no longer enthusiasm for showing off some of your best pages, or is it just taking more time?
Roy
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Not sure about others but I don't really make up pages that could be called exhibits. I have done some for our local stamp club but then usually more than 1-3 pages. They do not stand well individually.
I would assume that most of our members are really collectors, not exhibitors.
Quite agree that the thread has been somewhat hijacked, perhaps the mods could remove irrelevant posts.
Edit. This is a link to the one I did a few years ago.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_ma ...
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09:01:38pm
I agree with Vic. I am the type of collector who fills, or tries to, album pages. I've showed quite a few over the last few years and they are just pages of stamps with numbers and sometimes CVs, not really suitable as exhibits. I also think, as Vic does, that most of us are collectors and not exhibitors. That's probably why more people haven't joined in. I could show many sets of album pages but that's not what I think you want here, but maybe I'm wrong! An exhibit tells a story and that's something that takes a lot of time to set up!
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The idea of a friendly online exhibit competition is appealing. It is always enjoyable to see what others are collecting.
Here is my entry:
Great Britain QE II Machin head, 2 1/2p value, 1 centre bar tagged, all ex-sheet, used, CDS cancels, second class basic domestic rate in-period calendar collection for the month of May, 1973.
The 2 1/2p second class rate was in effect from February 15, 1971 to September 9, 1973, which spans 938 different days, but the Royal Mail was on strike from January 20, 1973 to March 7, 1973, so used dated cancellations for that period are not likely to be found, leaving 891 possible dates, though I also doubt December 25 and 26 are not likely to be found. I have gathered examples for more than 700 in period dates, and am still searching! It so happens that the collection for the month of May, 1973 is complete so I offer that for display.
J. T. Hurd.
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I'm going to post my pages a little later today. Nothing too spectacular but I like em!
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I agree with Roy that the indexing discussion doesn't belong here and would be more useful if moved. How about if I copy my original comments to start a new thread under Stamporama business?
I decided to go ahead with those thoughts, which have been percolating in my brain for several months, after wondering if the exhibits would all become inaccessible to current and future members immediately after the exhibition ends.
Bob
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I am pleased to present my contribution to the Clothesline Exhibit Competition. I have entitled my exhibit, "A Budding Classic U.S. Stamp Collection". I would be honored to have you "like" my submission.
Respectfully yours,
ernieinjax
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The upright Jenny is gonna be tough to beat and rightly so!
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Here's mine!
Guess my scanner is too small, the reverse side is filled up too!
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Here is one of mine work in process.
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Right pane of R155 of 100 reverse side of my first page dated 22 Feb 2025 01:52:49pm
Plate number 524, small periods in the normal position.
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OK, here are a couple of pages from Canada, of the large format wildlife. I have omitted the first page which has the $1 values.
Think I have posted them previously a couple of years ago.
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Porto Rico Specimen stamps: $1 R5S, $3 R6S, $5 R7S, $10 R8S, $50 R9S.
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Great Britain Cypher Labels 1700-1827
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07:08:51am
Only 36 hours left to vote!
Show your support. Vote!
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Here is my late entry.
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And here's my even later entry!
It's a pre-stamp entire from way back in 1480 sent from Chania in Crete to Pera near Istanbul.
This is from a 24 sheet display on Crete that I showed in my stamp club a few years ago.
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wow!
Have you been able to decipher / transcribe the letter?
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Sadly not!
I planned to look into this when I retired but that has happened and I've not done anything about it yet.
I'm thinking of taking it to the British Museum to see if they have any ideas about finding someone to assist.
This was one of a number of Venetian covers from Crete that were in the collection of Rienk Feenstra, the Dutch philatelist and author of the Crete handbook.
Five of these entires are shown in his handbook but not this one.
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There must be paleographists who are able to read manuscripts like this one in secretary hand. Perhaps the difficult part is finding out what language is used. Latin, Italian. Or perhaps some sort of Venetian dialect?
The handwriting itself is pretty regular, so with some practice and reference material one could get pretty far.
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04:15:02pm
Just imagine - in 1480 it was still 12 years before Columbus landed in "The New World". I have a small little Roman glass jug that I could post a scan of later. I like to imagine that Nero used it to put "cream in his tea"!! Of course this is foolish, the Romans didn't have tea but it's still fun to imagine what it was used for!!!
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Hi Jansimon,
I expect the letter is written in Venetian. It was a common trade language in the Mediterranean as well as the main language of the Republic of Venice.
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Under the wire...
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Another one...
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11:51:02am
Last chance to vote!
Voting closes 6pm EST (2300 UTC) today. Vote with the "Like" button.
It's close! A few votes could swing things. Support your favorite!
The current leaders (at 12 noon with 6 hours to go):
PhilatelistMag20 "Bergedorf" 9 likes
londonbus1 "Great Britain Cypher Labels 1700-1827" 9 likes
dell4c "HM Airship R100" 8 likes
Roy
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05:29:28pm
Tick Tock!
Last half hour to vote!
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06:13:59pm
Time's up!
Thanks to all who participated and all who voted.
As one member who wrote to me privately said "I am very pleased to have learned so much from the Clothesline Exhibit project". And that's the point. As a digital club, we actually have an advantage over "clubs in real life" as it is so much easier to show each other our interests, see what other people are doing and how they approach things. It stirs conversation, information is shared that we had no idea about, and generally enriches our enjoyment of this hobby.
Congratulations to our winners!
PhilatelistMag20 for his "Bergedorf" with 12 likes
and
londonbus1 for his "Great Britain Cypher Labels 1700-1827" with 9 likes
I'll be in touch directly with info on how to claim your $10 gift certificate.
Do we do it again? Should we do anything differently? Did you enjoy this?
The thread is now open for general discussion!
Roy
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Hooray I won!!
Thank You Everyone who voted.
I am very glad you liked my exhibit.
I would definitely do this again.
Thanks Roy as well!
-Ari 
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06:51:11pm
Keep it going, I learned a lot from all the great exhibits!! Great stuff, thanks! Congrats to the two very capable winners!!
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I also enjoyed the exhibits. Keep it going!!
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Thanks Joe & Melvin!
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Thanks all and to Roy for the Clothesline.......I had never heard the term before.
I'll have to polish up my pegs before the next one !!
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Thankyou for the posting of the clothes line exhibits. I have learned so much
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Clothesline exhibits are a great idea! Thank you, Roy. I wish that my stamp club (the British Columbia Philatelic Society) had done that. I hope that another one is in the works.
I served as exhibits chair for several of my club’s annual stamp shows, VANPEX (VANcouver Philatelic Exhibition). When I started, I had never attended a philatelic exhibition or exhibited anything. I learned a lot over the subsequent shows. I became an exhibitor and earned a vermeil (small gold) medal for my first exhibit, about Britain’s WW2 economy. I hope that my experiences will encourage Stamporama members to join in the next clothesline exhibition, assuming that there is one, and to consider some ideas that I gained from VANPEX.
One of our VANPEX routines was to allow only exhibitors, judges, and VANPEX organizers onto the exhibition floor prior to the official opening of the show. We often had to police the area to keep non-exhibitors away from the exhibits, both for security and to give the judges a chance to study the exhibits without interruption (and also to keep them away from the bourse dealers, whose hands were full just trying to set up their tables).
I think it would be a good idea if a volunteer Stamporama member to received exhibits for future clothesline exhibitions, upload them to the Stamporama website at one time, and allow members to view and vote, but not to discuss until voting is finished. One advantage would be that all of the exhibits would be available to view at the same time. The other is that discussions, if they don’t happen before the vote, can’t affect the outcome.
I was somewhat surprised at the low number of exhibits that were offered. I understand collectors’ reluctance to exhibit. I had to overcome a significant hurdle to become an exhibitor: I believed that exhibitors were braggarts whose pockets were deeper than mine. I was wrong.
While the occasional collector has dollars more than stamps and covers on his or her mind, to most of us stamps are just artifacts that we enjoy looking at, studying, arranging, and learning from. We know that they are not investments that will provide around-the-world cruises. In my case, I learned, especially through including covers and postcards to my collection, that it would provide a lot previously unknown and even unrecorded social, political, and scientific knowledge and history. I believe the best way for a collector to learn about a philatelic collection is to develop exhibits from it. If you are concerned that you just can’t compete with seasoned exhibitors, please understand that virtually no-one who attends a philatelic exhibition does more than glance at your stamps, covers, and collateral items. They certainly don’t read all of your explanations. Not even judges have time for that! You are almost the only person who will ever benefit from exhibiting your stamps and covers, but that’s OK. Your collection is unique, and no one else will ever get quite the same benefits that it has provided for you. Exhibiting parts of your collection will vastly increase its intrinsic value for you. I encourage Stamporama members to participate in the next clothesline exhibition, assuming that there will be one.
As VANPEX exhibits chair, it was my responsibility to accept or reject exhibits intended for display at VANPEX. One year we decided to have a “one sheet” exhibit category. I remember an exhibit from a well-known local collector who had won many awards for his exhibits. His one-sheet exhibit consisted of one rare Canadian stamp, with no explanation, identification, history, dates, etc. It was just stuck on a sheet of white paper. I rejected it. He was not happy. I believe that a display of such stamps or any stamps (and covers) without supporting information is essentially worthless. Unfortunately, there has been a tendency in exhibitions to give credit to collectors who happen to have enough money to buy rare covers and stamps and exhibit them with little background information. One of the big problems with our hobby is that stamps can be extremely valuable, which has led to the harmful practice of altering stamps and covers to add to their value or to the worse practice of forgery.
Bob
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I think Bob makes a couple of good points. It seemed to be a little slow taking off but in the end there were quite a few people who wanted to submit something. I'd like for us to do this again at some point and I'd like to put forth a little more effort next time. I love the idea of having all of the exhibits available for viewing all at the same time. Also, I don't know how we would do it, but maybe a few different categories?
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What if we made a website to make voting easier.
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Stamporama member PhilatelistMag20 suggested building a separate web site to host future clothesline exhibitions. But that’s not necessary. Voting would a simple matter of using our current website differently, asking members to “like” their favourite exhibit after having had the opportunity to examine all of the exhibits. We would just use the web site we have differently than we did with the just-finished clothesline exhibition.
Erniejax suggested the use of exhibiting categories, which would be a step toward “classical” exhibiting, but might complicate both display of exhibits and voting. But it’s worth considering.
I would like to see a brief list of rules much like those that actual exhibitions follow: Don’t use commercial album pages as exhibit sheets; do include original and/or quoted text that explains pertinent philatelic information about an exhibit; only include items that actually belong to you. For the sake of the judges (your fellow Stamporama members), exhibitors should point out obscure but important details about their stamps and covers; exhibit should answer more questions than it raises.
Bob
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Good notes Bob!
Could be the basis for the next one...
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I've made my selection, Roy!
Thanks!
-Ari
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I also learned a lot from the exhibits and agree with many points raised by Bobstamp.
As a first try, this seems to be a success but think it could benefit by posting the exhibits at the same time and limiting discussion/ comments. I think the whole process should be kept on SOR.
As exhibits trickled in, I had already voted on a nice early entry. Do I vote again for another? I decided I would vote for two and stop there but posting all at the same time would make it easier for the voters.
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SOR has an exhibit section in the "Research" area.
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BuckaCover.com - 80,000 covers priced 60c to $1.50 - Easy browsing 500 categories
16 Feb 2025
10:02:58pm
Stamporama "Clothesline Exhibit" Competition #2
I can't believe it has been 9 years since we last did this.
Stamporama Clothesline Exhibit Competition #1 (link)
I think it's about time we did it again. So here goes:
My local club http://www.kingstonstampclub.ca occasionally has a "Clothesline Exhibit" night. For those not familiar with the concept, allow me to explain. It is a friendly competition consisting of small exhibits strung along a clothesline with clothespins -- very informal, and a lot of fun.
I thought it would be fun to sponsor such a competition right here.
Rules are very simple.
1) Entrants post a ONE to THREE PAGE exhibit in this thread.
2) Photos should be reduced to 800-900 pixels wide to allow for comfortable viewing (excessively wide photos disrupt viewing).
3) Explanatory text is allowed and encouraged, even if it is already on the page, as it gives search engines (both internal to SOR and external like Google) something to find.
4) Philatelic discussion of exhibits is welcome, but leave out the "Chat Room" stuff ("Hey Joe, I didn't know you had such nice stamps" --- use the Message System for such private messages.)
5) New entries may be posted right up until the close, but since voting will be done by "Likes" late entries won't have much time to gather votes. The earlier the better!
Selection of the "Winners" and Prizes
6) We are all winners by being able to see and share all the pages to come, but at the end of the voting period the top two "most popular" exhibits will each be awarded a US$10 gift certificate (with free shipping) to be used on their choice of BuckaCover.com (http://www.buckacover.com) or Discount Stamp Shop (http://www.discountstampshop.com)
7) Voting for "Most Popular" will be through use of the "Like" button. Voters may cast a vote at any time, but it is recommended that you withhold your vote until all entries have been posted, otherwise you are just "splitting your vote", however there is no limit on the number of entries on which you may vote.
8) Voting will close at 6pm EST Friday Feb. 28.
9) The two exhibits with the most "likes" at that time will win $10 gift certificates.
Please PM me if I have left anything out.
Roy
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re: Stamporama "Clothesline Exhibit" Competition #2
Roy,
When you refer to a "page", should we be thinking 8 1/2" x 11"?
Thanks Roy.
Ernie
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17 Feb 2025
11:41:11am
re: Stamporama "Clothesline Exhibit" Competition #2
"When you refer to a "page", should we be thinking 8 1/2" x 11"?"
Exact size of the page doesn't really matter, as you are going to reduce it to an image that is 800-900 pixels wide to fit the Discussion Board. There is also a maximum height to images posted on the DB (Somewhere around 1250px if I recall correctly).
So the "page" doesn't matter, but the image does.
But if the stamps aren't visible, votes may be hard to come by.
Roy
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Here is a sample page. It's one of mine, so it's "non-competitive".
"Likes" won't count (don't want my own prize!) but will be appreciated!
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I must be missing something here.
(I know your scan is just a sample), but would you use a cloth pen to pin it to a string or rope?
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" but would you use a cloth pen to pin it to a string or rope?"
Not really relevant for digital displays on Stamporama, but yes, at the club we would insert a page into a sheet protector and use a clothes pin (not a "cloth pen") to hang it from a string strung against the wall.
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And for our English readers it would be a clothes peg.
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Good suggestion, Roy. I’ve already got an idea for a three-pager.
Just one problem (something that’s bothered me for ages)! If no one follows this post up I the next day, the thread will disappear. If someone remembers the thread’s heading, or the names/usernames of any of the posters, they might do a search, but in my experience the Stamporama search engine is almost useless, even for my own posts. And any new members won’t even be aware of the clothesline contest.
I belong to two scale-model groups. Discussions in any of several general topics, listed alphabetically, are readily available whether the last post was ten days or ten years ago. I can go to my profile and find a link to all of my posts, listed by date and subject. We can’t do anything like that in Stamporama. The only downside to the model groups is that the images that illustrated many earlier posts are missing because the image p-storing services that poster’s were using have gone belly up. But Stamporama solved that problem at its inception, thanks to Roy.
I have to say that I’ve about given up on writing long posts because they disappear after a day and will likely never be noticed again (assuming they don’t generate enough interest to maintain an energetic discussion). At the very least, I’d like to see changes that would make it easy for new members to access and respond to earlier discussions. I have no idea what programming challenges would be involved, but if my suggestion could bear fruit, it might help to bring in many new members. As it is, we seem to be shrivelling on the vine!
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Maxicard about a NATO partnership (USA and Romania), back in the day when NATO was respected by everybody...
I have designed the personalized postage stamp at Zazzle.
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Hello everyone!
Here is my entry!
It is called Moens Reprints of the Popular Bergedorf Stamps.
I created it after I received a set of facsimile Bergedorf stamps.
I thought they were regular old fakes, until I learned these are historic fakes. Sort of like Sperati copies, but a lot less expensive!
I hope you like my presentation, and lets get this contest, and likes going!
-Ari
Link if you like: bit.ly/MoensRep (It is case sensitive and must be as shown.)
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In 2013 I was the editor/publisher of one of the study unit journals of the American Topical Association. Membership in that unit included over 60 members residing outside the United States that required over $4.00 in postage to mail our 24-page, 8½ x 11-inch quarterly journal as a USPS flat. So over the ensuing years I purchased thousands of the $2 Jenny stamp, not only for the ease of using a high value stamp on the envelopes, but also in the hope that I would be lucky enough to obtain an “Upright” Jenny. No such luck.
But when I was ordering new stamps for my personal use at a rate change, I ordered three panes of the Jenny: one for me, one for my wife and one for our then current dog, Mr. Bunter. Mr. Bunter won the Upright Jenny.
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Michaelxxx won a similar upright jenny sheet if my recollections are correct. That is 2 in this Club.
What are the odds? 33 sheets found, 2 at SOR, so 6%!
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Nice exhibit, Agatha.
Michaelxxx won a similar upright jenny sheet if my recollections are correct. That is 2 in this Club.
What are the odds? 33 sheets found, 2 at SOR, so 6%! Pretty good!
rrr...
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Its quite the odds!
Remember to scroll up for other entries, as the thread gets longer.
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"I have to say that I’ve about given up on writing long posts because they disappear after a day and will likely never be noticed again (assuming they don’t generate enough interest to maintain an energetic discussion). At the very least, I’d like to see changes that would make it easy for new members to access and respond to earlier discussions. I have no idea what programming challenges would be involved, but if my suggestion could bear fruit, it might help to bring in many new members. As it is, we seem to be shrivelling on the vine Bob"
I often try to find old articles that dealt with some topics of interest on the Discussion Board, and I use the Keyword Search function.
It is excellent!
But you are right, Bob. Thousands of great information over years of active participation are buried in the discussion belly. If you don't know about it, and don't know how to find something, you will not find it. Discussion Posts are gone in a blink of the eye.
There is a section for RESEARCH, and years ago there was the idea of extracting some of the Discussion Posts that would merit being saved and indexed, under RESEARCH. Don't know if some was done or not...I know Siem, JS mentioned something my failing memory no longer remembers. It was a huge job, anyway!
I wrote on the Discussion Board, years ago, a series of research articles on the stamps of the French and British Mandate in the Middle East. I was going to transfer them to the Research section, but gave up as the process at the time was complicated. Ideally IF one could just copy the discussion title and the specific link to the article, it would greatly add value to our research capability.
Here is as an example of what I am referring to: (this is the first among +/- 10 titles on the subject. I wrote it, back 5-10 years ago
Article
title:
Stamps of the French Mandate Area for Syria and Lebanon, Part 1. Ile ROUAD
Link: https://stamporama.com/discboard/d ... 125143
Searching on keywords and then clicking on the link (all so easy to do) brings you to the Whole discussion starting from the last post, and all preceding comments. Ie the whole discussion thread.
If it was possible to simply link the First post to the research section, ( or any subsequent individual post, not the whole thread) onr could add to the RESEARCH via links, and transfer to the research adding value to this section. It is currently tedious and labor intensive to copy Discussion Board "Research" or other material (such as collection pages) to the Research section. Last time I tried, there were format issues, with bold, italics, etc...
Still one can never off-hand find a topic of interest easily, so like all libraries, unless you have an Index that is handy, and you know how to search for an item, the book remains on the shelves.
Curious how many members use the research section?
incidentally Bob comments, and this discussion merits being moved under its own section: HOW To FIND OLD RESEARCH ARTICLES
rrr..
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Hi folks,
Linn''s reported that as of December 22, 2022, 43 upright Jenny panes have been found. Others may have been found but the owners may not have wanted to disclose their existence.
Linn's also reported that they received an email on August 2023 from USPS spokesman Jim McKean that the #2 Inverted Jenny stamp is no longer available from the USPS. Whether that means that they have sold out or that they were withdrawn from sale, I don''t know. In the past I have tried to purchase at some of the local post offices in my area stamps that had been withdrawn from sale and could not do so as once the command comes down from Stamp Services, they can't ring up any sales on those stamps even it they still have them in their drawers. They don't show up in their sales computers.
I remember when I was just starting out in this hobby, I would visit one of the local post offices in central New Jersey and the postmaster would bring out a counter book with stamps going back decades and let me buy whatever I wanted. Oh, the days. Unfortunately, funds were scarce and I couldn't buy much.
I am curious to see what will happen with the $2 Jenny now that it is no longer available.
Fred
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Thank you for your response, rrraphy. I was beginning to think that no one had read my post, or agreed with it!
Your comments about SOR’s search function are useful, but of little value to visitors or new members, especially if they are novice collectors. I have no statistics to support my opinion, but it seems to me that this discussion board is dying without a whimper. I think that our chance of growth would best be served by making it easy for anyone to skim through an historical database of old posts, which at this time is not possible if a thread has “died” after only one day.
Bobstamp / Bob
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"I think that our chance of growth would best be served by making it easy for anyone to skim through an historical database of old posts, "
I think, if possible, this would be an incredible idea. A few times I have gone looking for an old post for information. Occasionally I get lucky but usually I end up saying "the H*** with it" and move on to some other task. I can't remember where this came from but I remember reading somewhere that "we have to accomplish six impossible things before breakfast". This very much seems to apply here!!!!
EDIT: I did a bit of research. Lewis Carroll in Alice in Wonderland said "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
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Yes, there was some info here on a Bergedorf stamp, a similar looking stamp to the entry I posted.
I tried to find it a month later, and I spent 5 mins looking for it!
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This idea of indexing the posts on the DB is a worthy subject, but could we move it elsewhere? It's hijacking the competition and if it goes on any longer viewers are going to lose the idea of the competition and tune out.
To everyone reading this: Is there no longer enthusiasm for showing off some of your best pages, or is it just taking more time?
Roy
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Not sure about others but I don't really make up pages that could be called exhibits. I have done some for our local stamp club but then usually more than 1-3 pages. They do not stand well individually.
I would assume that most of our members are really collectors, not exhibitors.
Quite agree that the thread has been somewhat hijacked, perhaps the mods could remove irrelevant posts.
Edit. This is a link to the one I did a few years ago.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_ma ...
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21 Feb 2025
09:01:38pm
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I agree with Vic. I am the type of collector who fills, or tries to, album pages. I've showed quite a few over the last few years and they are just pages of stamps with numbers and sometimes CVs, not really suitable as exhibits. I also think, as Vic does, that most of us are collectors and not exhibitors. That's probably why more people haven't joined in. I could show many sets of album pages but that's not what I think you want here, but maybe I'm wrong! An exhibit tells a story and that's something that takes a lot of time to set up!
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The idea of a friendly online exhibit competition is appealing. It is always enjoyable to see what others are collecting.
Here is my entry:
Great Britain QE II Machin head, 2 1/2p value, 1 centre bar tagged, all ex-sheet, used, CDS cancels, second class basic domestic rate in-period calendar collection for the month of May, 1973.
The 2 1/2p second class rate was in effect from February 15, 1971 to September 9, 1973, which spans 938 different days, but the Royal Mail was on strike from January 20, 1973 to March 7, 1973, so used dated cancellations for that period are not likely to be found, leaving 891 possible dates, though I also doubt December 25 and 26 are not likely to be found. I have gathered examples for more than 700 in period dates, and am still searching! It so happens that the collection for the month of May, 1973 is complete so I offer that for display.
J. T. Hurd.
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I'm going to post my pages a little later today. Nothing too spectacular but I like em!
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I agree with Roy that the indexing discussion doesn't belong here and would be more useful if moved. How about if I copy my original comments to start a new thread under Stamporama business?
I decided to go ahead with those thoughts, which have been percolating in my brain for several months, after wondering if the exhibits would all become inaccessible to current and future members immediately after the exhibition ends.
Bob
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I am pleased to present my contribution to the Clothesline Exhibit Competition. I have entitled my exhibit, "A Budding Classic U.S. Stamp Collection". I would be honored to have you "like" my submission.
Respectfully yours,
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The upright Jenny is gonna be tough to beat and rightly so!
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Here's mine!
Guess my scanner is too small, the reverse side is filled up too!
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Here is one of mine work in process.
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Right pane of R155 of 100 reverse side of my first page dated 22 Feb 2025 01:52:49pm
Plate number 524, small periods in the normal position.
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OK, here are a couple of pages from Canada, of the large format wildlife. I have omitted the first page which has the $1 values.
Think I have posted them previously a couple of years ago.
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Porto Rico Specimen stamps: $1 R5S, $3 R6S, $5 R7S, $10 R8S, $50 R9S.
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Great Britain Cypher Labels 1700-1827
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Only 36 hours left to vote!
Show your support. Vote!
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Here is my late entry.
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And here's my even later entry!
It's a pre-stamp entire from way back in 1480 sent from Chania in Crete to Pera near Istanbul.
This is from a 24 sheet display on Crete that I showed in my stamp club a few years ago.
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wow!
Have you been able to decipher / transcribe the letter?
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Sadly not!
I planned to look into this when I retired but that has happened and I've not done anything about it yet.
I'm thinking of taking it to the British Museum to see if they have any ideas about finding someone to assist.
This was one of a number of Venetian covers from Crete that were in the collection of Rienk Feenstra, the Dutch philatelist and author of the Crete handbook.
Five of these entires are shown in his handbook but not this one.
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There must be paleographists who are able to read manuscripts like this one in secretary hand. Perhaps the difficult part is finding out what language is used. Latin, Italian. Or perhaps some sort of Venetian dialect?
The handwriting itself is pretty regular, so with some practice and reference material one could get pretty far.
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27 Feb 2025
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Just imagine - in 1480 it was still 12 years before Columbus landed in "The New World". I have a small little Roman glass jug that I could post a scan of later. I like to imagine that Nero used it to put "cream in his tea"!! Of course this is foolish, the Romans didn't have tea but it's still fun to imagine what it was used for!!!
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Hi Jansimon,
I expect the letter is written in Venetian. It was a common trade language in the Mediterranean as well as the main language of the Republic of Venice.
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Under the wire...
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Another one...
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Last chance to vote!
Voting closes 6pm EST (2300 UTC) today. Vote with the "Like" button.
It's close! A few votes could swing things. Support your favorite!
The current leaders (at 12 noon with 6 hours to go):
PhilatelistMag20 "Bergedorf" 9 likes
londonbus1 "Great Britain Cypher Labels 1700-1827" 9 likes
dell4c "HM Airship R100" 8 likes
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Tick Tock!
Last half hour to vote!
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Time's up!
Thanks to all who participated and all who voted.
As one member who wrote to me privately said "I am very pleased to have learned so much from the Clothesline Exhibit project". And that's the point. As a digital club, we actually have an advantage over "clubs in real life" as it is so much easier to show each other our interests, see what other people are doing and how they approach things. It stirs conversation, information is shared that we had no idea about, and generally enriches our enjoyment of this hobby.
Congratulations to our winners!
PhilatelistMag20 for his "Bergedorf" with 12 likes
and
londonbus1 for his "Great Britain Cypher Labels 1700-1827" with 9 likes
I'll be in touch directly with info on how to claim your $10 gift certificate.
Do we do it again? Should we do anything differently? Did you enjoy this?
The thread is now open for general discussion!
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Hooray I won!!
Thank You Everyone who voted.
I am very glad you liked my exhibit.
I would definitely do this again.
Thanks Roy as well!
-Ari
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Keep it going, I learned a lot from all the great exhibits!! Great stuff, thanks! Congrats to the two very capable winners!!
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I also enjoyed the exhibits. Keep it going!!
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Thanks Joe & Melvin!
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Thanks all and to Roy for the Clothesline.......I had never heard the term before.
I'll have to polish up my pegs before the next one !!
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Thankyou for the posting of the clothes line exhibits. I have learned so much
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Clothesline exhibits are a great idea! Thank you, Roy. I wish that my stamp club (the British Columbia Philatelic Society) had done that. I hope that another one is in the works.
I served as exhibits chair for several of my club’s annual stamp shows, VANPEX (VANcouver Philatelic Exhibition). When I started, I had never attended a philatelic exhibition or exhibited anything. I learned a lot over the subsequent shows. I became an exhibitor and earned a vermeil (small gold) medal for my first exhibit, about Britain’s WW2 economy. I hope that my experiences will encourage Stamporama members to join in the next clothesline exhibition, assuming that there is one, and to consider some ideas that I gained from VANPEX.
One of our VANPEX routines was to allow only exhibitors, judges, and VANPEX organizers onto the exhibition floor prior to the official opening of the show. We often had to police the area to keep non-exhibitors away from the exhibits, both for security and to give the judges a chance to study the exhibits without interruption (and also to keep them away from the bourse dealers, whose hands were full just trying to set up their tables).
I think it would be a good idea if a volunteer Stamporama member to received exhibits for future clothesline exhibitions, upload them to the Stamporama website at one time, and allow members to view and vote, but not to discuss until voting is finished. One advantage would be that all of the exhibits would be available to view at the same time. The other is that discussions, if they don’t happen before the vote, can’t affect the outcome.
I was somewhat surprised at the low number of exhibits that were offered. I understand collectors’ reluctance to exhibit. I had to overcome a significant hurdle to become an exhibitor: I believed that exhibitors were braggarts whose pockets were deeper than mine. I was wrong.
While the occasional collector has dollars more than stamps and covers on his or her mind, to most of us stamps are just artifacts that we enjoy looking at, studying, arranging, and learning from. We know that they are not investments that will provide around-the-world cruises. In my case, I learned, especially through including covers and postcards to my collection, that it would provide a lot previously unknown and even unrecorded social, political, and scientific knowledge and history. I believe the best way for a collector to learn about a philatelic collection is to develop exhibits from it. If you are concerned that you just can’t compete with seasoned exhibitors, please understand that virtually no-one who attends a philatelic exhibition does more than glance at your stamps, covers, and collateral items. They certainly don’t read all of your explanations. Not even judges have time for that! You are almost the only person who will ever benefit from exhibiting your stamps and covers, but that’s OK. Your collection is unique, and no one else will ever get quite the same benefits that it has provided for you. Exhibiting parts of your collection will vastly increase its intrinsic value for you. I encourage Stamporama members to participate in the next clothesline exhibition, assuming that there will be one.
As VANPEX exhibits chair, it was my responsibility to accept or reject exhibits intended for display at VANPEX. One year we decided to have a “one sheet” exhibit category. I remember an exhibit from a well-known local collector who had won many awards for his exhibits. His one-sheet exhibit consisted of one rare Canadian stamp, with no explanation, identification, history, dates, etc. It was just stuck on a sheet of white paper. I rejected it. He was not happy. I believe that a display of such stamps or any stamps (and covers) without supporting information is essentially worthless. Unfortunately, there has been a tendency in exhibitions to give credit to collectors who happen to have enough money to buy rare covers and stamps and exhibit them with little background information. One of the big problems with our hobby is that stamps can be extremely valuable, which has led to the harmful practice of altering stamps and covers to add to their value or to the worse practice of forgery.
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I think Bob makes a couple of good points. It seemed to be a little slow taking off but in the end there were quite a few people who wanted to submit something. I'd like for us to do this again at some point and I'd like to put forth a little more effort next time. I love the idea of having all of the exhibits available for viewing all at the same time. Also, I don't know how we would do it, but maybe a few different categories?
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What if we made a website to make voting easier.
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Stamporama member PhilatelistMag20 suggested building a separate web site to host future clothesline exhibitions. But that’s not necessary. Voting would a simple matter of using our current website differently, asking members to “like” their favourite exhibit after having had the opportunity to examine all of the exhibits. We would just use the web site we have differently than we did with the just-finished clothesline exhibition.
Erniejax suggested the use of exhibiting categories, which would be a step toward “classical” exhibiting, but might complicate both display of exhibits and voting. But it’s worth considering.
I would like to see a brief list of rules much like those that actual exhibitions follow: Don’t use commercial album pages as exhibit sheets; do include original and/or quoted text that explains pertinent philatelic information about an exhibit; only include items that actually belong to you. For the sake of the judges (your fellow Stamporama members), exhibitors should point out obscure but important details about their stamps and covers; exhibit should answer more questions than it raises.
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Good notes Bob!
Could be the basis for the next one...
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I've made my selection, Roy!
Thanks!
-Ari
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I also learned a lot from the exhibits and agree with many points raised by Bobstamp.
As a first try, this seems to be a success but think it could benefit by posting the exhibits at the same time and limiting discussion/ comments. I think the whole process should be kept on SOR.
As exhibits trickled in, I had already voted on a nice early entry. Do I vote again for another? I decided I would vote for two and stop there but posting all at the same time would make it easier for the voters.
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SOR has an exhibit section in the "Research" area.
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