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06:28:49pm
EDIT: I also really like the Halifax SOTN cancel!! Also 5th stamp in top row is a nice train cancel!
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@Harvey
I know you can't scan right now.
I have no idea from your images (photo?) how these stamps would make up a booklet pane?
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01:55:48pm
"how these stamps would make up a booklet pane"
Only in my vivid imagination, I'm afraid!!
I can't explain it better than this!!! I don't really have the two booklet panes but if you use your imagination they would look like the picture above!
"and did reconstructions instead. I consider, in my want list, that I have these two but I really don't and probably never will - this was more fun anyway!!!"
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That's cool Harvey. I like that idea. Hey, they're not reproductions! why not? better than looking at an empty space.
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I would expect to see straight edges on the left stamps? Is this normal for these so called booklets?
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06:00:16pm
"I would expect to see straight edges on the left stamps"
I wouldn't, the left stamps would have been attached to selvage that held the staple. This has been removed!
please check link https://www.ebay.ca/itm/272261066305
EDIT: Please don't take offence at this but I get the feeling that every time I post something you (@1899) are determined to challenge me on it. I hope I am just being a bit paranoid!! I just posted this item as a bit of fun, it's not important enough to argue about. These are just copies of booklet pane singles arranged to look like a booklet pane to cover two spaces that I can't afford to fill with the real items. They have no significant value except as booklet singles. I am not foolish enough to think they are really worth anything!!
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I have never seen a booklet pane from Canada, if my remarks was a challenge it's because of your description I simply did not understand it!
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12:50:51pm
@1899
"I would expect to see straight edges on the left stamps ...
I have never seen a booklet pane from Canada"
If you have never seen a booklet pane from Canada, why would you "expect" to see straight edges all around? In fact, what booklet pane, from anywhere, has straight edges all around?
You are always chiming in with obtuse or contentious comments.
A personal request, please dial it back a bit.
Roy
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I want to know what a bit is, so I know?
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01:33:45pm
Really nice cover Roy, thanks for showing!!
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09:22:07am
Here's links to the two booklet panes that I put together in the original post.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/272261066305
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/267244351920
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I like the reconstructed booklet panes, nice job. I appreciate the auction lot booklet pane references to provide additional detail as I had never seen them, probably since I never really looked for them due to my album filling approach to collecting.
My latest efforts with my Canada collection have concentrated on replacing some of the early stamps where I have used copies with mint copies. I suspect just replacing the 35 used stamps that I have with mint copies may provide for a lifetime of efforts not to mention the 19 missing stamps. Catalog numbers to replace include 4, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 44, 46, 47, 71, 72, 79, 82, 83, 84, 91, 92, 93, 94, and 95. And, of course, if one wanted to make this really challenging you could look for these as MNH copies. 
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08:13:32pm
Best of luck Jerrel, that's quite a project you've taken on!! I pick up panes up to about 1990 and, ignoring the fact I cheated on the first two, I now only need 3 more 166a, 195a and 197d. I don't mind if they are used and that saved me quite a bit on 107c. I've finished a few collections and this one is getting close!! Good luck with yours!!!
EDIT: Here's my want list for regular Canada, not counting BOB. Most are totally ridiculous, the only one that's sort of affordable is #9. Of course quite a bit of my early stuff is used!! Canadian Want list: (regular listings) #3, 6, 9, 10, 13, 31, 32 ( 7 stamps )
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For 1899 and any others who may not have seen a Canadian booklet pane:
Here is a modern Canadian booklet pane, Scott #947a, issued 1985. The booklet from which the booklet pane is removed is a piece of cardboard, folded in 2 in the middle, with the selvedge attached to the cardboard on the left and the 6 stamps on the right side, attached to the selvedge, but not attached to the cardboard backing. The stamps are designed to be detached from selvedge so they can be used on letters. In this instance, the stamps in the top row once detached and used will have perforations on the top, bottom, and either the left or the right side, with one straight edge on the opposite side. Collecting a reconstruction of a complete pane in this instance would involve locating six stamps, 4 of which would each have one straight edge and three edges with perforations, and 2 of which would each have two adjoining straight edges and two other edges with perforations.
For Harvey, it is good to see your fruitful efforts at reconstruction of a hard-to-find set of used singles, and especially with a couple of CDS postmarks. Nicely done!
JTH
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Findly, thanks so much.
Much success in your future collecting efforts.
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09:22:20am
Thanks very much for posting a picture of a Canada booklet/booklet pane - now all confusion is gone!! Thanks to a few members my collection is finished, except for the reconstructed first two. I have no intention of replacing those, the thousand + needed takes it outside the area of a fun collection. I was contacted yesterday by a member who has the last three I need. I bought the cheaper two and asked him to hold the last one for a couple weeks. I feels good to be able to close down a collection. I hesitate to call it complete since I decided not to bother with the tagged varieties but that's close enough for me. That stock book contains the booklet panes, McDonald's stamp packets (legendary creatures, dinosaurs, Canada's folktales - 2 of each) and the mini sheets (12) to about 1990. A nice book to look at!! Thanks to all who helped!
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Hi Harvey,
The Halifax cancel on the booklet stamp you show reminded me of a short article I wrote a number of years ago about the Halifax Disaster in 1917 and the Canada booklet issued in 2017 to mark that event. I have attached a jpg of my article.
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06:14:47pm
Thanks Fred, great article and thanks for posting it!!
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11:27:42am
Fist page of my booklet pane collection. The collection is what I call "complete" but a couple are still in the mail, one is reserved but not paid for and the first two are reconstructed, as shown!! The used 2 cent pane of 6 would be very expensive mint so used is fine!!
If anyone is trying to reconstruct the second booklet pane you can have my extra of the lower right corner stamp which is a bit harder to find. Just let me know! In catalogs BP singles are given an "s" code, for example 90bs.
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Can you explain why there are blocks of 6 then a block of 4?
I know nothing about these!
Who are the admirials (difficult for me to read when the photo is slanted)? They all look like the same person?
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01:02:31am
"Can you explain why there are blocks of 6 then a block of 4?"
A reasonable question, but in philatelic parlance, they aren't "blocks", they are "booklet panes" and are listed as such in the catalogues. Depending on the number of panes and sometimes, mix of denominations in a complete booklet, the size of the pane may vary from 3 to 6 (or more in modern booklets).
"Who are the admirials (difficult for me to read when the photo is slanted)? They all look like the same person?"
Other than the top row, they are all the same person -- King George V of the United Kingdom (and Canada). The series shown is called the "Admiral Series" because he is wearing the uniform of a Naval Admiral. It was in use from 1911 to about 1929. The main sequence of numbers in Scott is #104 to #122, with coils,imperfs and surcharges numbers ranging from 123 to 140.
As Commander-In-Chief, the King may wear the uniform of any branch of the armed forces.
Roy
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08:44:17am
Thanks Roy for explaining all that! My fault, I know that series as the Admirals because that's how it was always referred. Good thing I din't show my collection of the "Muftis". As to the series being slanted, sorry about that, if I show more pages I'll try to fix that! It's right-side-up in my pictures but quite often when I bring a picture into this area it seems to try to make it fit the space better - not sure why!!
EDIT: That's a great booklet you show in the "medallion" series. I have a few complete booklets, mostly in the later Elizabeth series. That one you have is very hard to find and quite pricey!!
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11:19:41am
Just got my last booklet pane from Roy Lingen to officially finish my collection of booklet panes to my 1990ish (last one is 1180b, the wildlife series) cut off, except for my cheat on the first two as shown earlier in this post. I have no intention of replacing those because of the price and there are some tagging varieties I am not interested in. I'll post a few more pages at a later date if anyone is interested. That stock book also contains miniature sheets complete to the same cutoff and the set of six McDonalds sets in original cellophane. A great book to look through!!!
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06:17:07pm
Here are pages 2 and 3 of my Canada booklet pane collection if anyone wants to take a look!!!! It's amazing, they're right side up this time - I did absolutely nothing different!
Edit: Over the next couple weeks I'll post 4 more pages and then quit just before the QE II centennial issue, too many there to post!!
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Another interesting thing to reconstruct are stamps with a straight edge that are not from booklets.
I suspect these are from sheets that were printed without selvedge (i.e. just cut sheets). Can anyone confirm this?
Also, I think when the question was raised about a straight edge "all around" the OP didn't mean around the whole stamp (i.e. an imperf) he meant around the perimeter of the booklet. So a fair question about a straight edge on the left side (and also BL corner). As we saw in the examples of vertical vs horizontal booklet panes.
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08:50:18pm
"I suspect these are from sheets that were printed without selvedge (i.e. just cut sheets). Can anyone confirm this?"
I'm pretty sure you're right about that. I've got quite a few stamps from the 1920's and 1930's with a flat side. I thought about collecting them for a while and then realized they weren't really of any special interest.
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Ya, I have a couple straight-edge Admirals that don't show in the Canada Unitrade Catalog as being from booklets. And recently I got a batch of Canada War-Tax stamps (the early issues) that have straight edges and I can't imagine they were sold in booklets (also not listed as such in Unitrade).
I also considered, but then reconsidered, replicating the booklets with individual stamps (too much work for a lazy guy like me) - but know some folks like the idea and I think it's kinda cool. I set aside these for one of our members. I think some might also like to do the whole ring-around-the-rosie thing with the non-booklet straight-edge stamps too - you don't often see them so I think it would be a cool collecting sub-set.
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08:53:20pm
If you check Van Dam's book on Canada Revenues quite a few of the early war tax stamps had booklet panes, some are very pricey though! The only BP I have is FWT8c and it's a cheapie!!
I really have an interest in booklet panes. I am trying to do a reconstruction of a War Savings booklet pane that includes FWS7 to FWS14. When it's finished I'll post a picture! The War Savings stamps were pasted in booklets by people using them. I am lucky enough to have one of the books with a few stamps in it, the books are fairly hard to find!
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11:20:36am
Here are pages 4 and 5 of my Canada booklet panes for anyone who is interested. This takes us to the end of The Kings. Next week I will show the first two pages of QEII and that's as far as I plan to go unless someone wants to see more. Once you get to the Centennial Series all H#@& breaks loose!!
Edit: I have posted many images over the years I have been a member. If anyone, for some reason, wants a copy of any of these please let me know and, assuming I can find it, I would be glad to pass it on! If you check my member information you can see what I collect.
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10:54:58am
Pages 6 and 7 of my collection for anyone who wants to see them. I'm not going any further because starting with the next QEII series the number of panes went up quite a bit. I am complete to 1990 but this is far enough!
Edit: If anyone would like me to take this further it's no big deal to post two more pages per week. It's just that the newer stuff is much more common and a bit boring. Let me know, otherwise I'll drop it here!
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I've enjoyed seeing them!
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12:26:47pm
Thanks Ari
They were fun to post and even more fun to collect! Once you get into the rest of the collection, if you want to be really complete, you have to worry about the phosphor tagging varieties as well. I decided not to go there so, even though I think of my collection as complete, it isn't really. But to me it's as complete as it's ever going to be!
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04 May 2025
06:28:49pm
I collect Canada booklet panes to about 1990. I'm missing 5 at this point even though I refused to get into the tagging varieties so I guess I'm never actually going to "complete". I also cheated on the first two which are both very expensive ($1000+) and did reconstructions instead. I consider, in my want list, that I have these two but I really don't and probably never will - this was more fun anyway!!!
EDIT: I also really like the Halifax SOTN cancel!! Also 5th stamp in top row is a nice train cancel!
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@Harvey
I know you can't scan right now.
I have no idea from your images (photo?) how these stamps would make up a booklet pane?
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"how these stamps would make up a booklet pane"
Only in my vivid imagination, I'm afraid!!
I can't explain it better than this!!! I don't really have the two booklet panes but if you use your imagination they would look like the picture above!
"and did reconstructions instead. I consider, in my want list, that I have these two but I really don't and probably never will - this was more fun anyway!!!"
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That's cool Harvey. I like that idea. Hey, they're not reproductions! why not? better than looking at an empty space.
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I would expect to see straight edges on the left stamps? Is this normal for these so called booklets?
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"I would expect to see straight edges on the left stamps"
I wouldn't, the left stamps would have been attached to selvage that held the staple. This has been removed!
please check link https://www.ebay.ca/itm/272261066305
EDIT: Please don't take offence at this but I get the feeling that every time I post something you (@1899) are determined to challenge me on it. I hope I am just being a bit paranoid!! I just posted this item as a bit of fun, it's not important enough to argue about. These are just copies of booklet pane singles arranged to look like a booklet pane to cover two spaces that I can't afford to fill with the real items. They have no significant value except as booklet singles. I am not foolish enough to think they are really worth anything!!
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I have never seen a booklet pane from Canada, if my remarks was a challenge it's because of your description I simply did not understand it!
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06 May 2025
12:50:51pm
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@1899
"I would expect to see straight edges on the left stamps ...
I have never seen a booklet pane from Canada"
If you have never seen a booklet pane from Canada, why would you "expect" to see straight edges all around? In fact, what booklet pane, from anywhere, has straight edges all around?
You are always chiming in with obtuse or contentious comments.
A personal request, please dial it back a bit.
Roy
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I want to know what a bit is, so I know?
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06 May 2025
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Really nice cover Roy, thanks for showing!!
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10 May 2025
09:22:07am
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Here's links to the two booklet panes that I put together in the original post.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/272261066305
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/267244351920
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I like the reconstructed booklet panes, nice job. I appreciate the auction lot booklet pane references to provide additional detail as I had never seen them, probably since I never really looked for them due to my album filling approach to collecting.
My latest efforts with my Canada collection have concentrated on replacing some of the early stamps where I have used copies with mint copies. I suspect just replacing the 35 used stamps that I have with mint copies may provide for a lifetime of efforts not to mention the 19 missing stamps. Catalog numbers to replace include 4, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 44, 46, 47, 71, 72, 79, 82, 83, 84, 91, 92, 93, 94, and 95. And, of course, if one wanted to make this really challenging you could look for these as MNH copies.
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10 May 2025
08:13:32pm
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Best of luck Jerrel, that's quite a project you've taken on!! I pick up panes up to about 1990 and, ignoring the fact I cheated on the first two, I now only need 3 more 166a, 195a and 197d. I don't mind if they are used and that saved me quite a bit on 107c. I've finished a few collections and this one is getting close!! Good luck with yours!!!
EDIT: Here's my want list for regular Canada, not counting BOB. Most are totally ridiculous, the only one that's sort of affordable is #9. Of course quite a bit of my early stuff is used!! Canadian Want list: (regular listings) #3, 6, 9, 10, 13, 31, 32 ( 7 stamps )
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For 1899 and any others who may not have seen a Canadian booklet pane:
Here is a modern Canadian booklet pane, Scott #947a, issued 1985. The booklet from which the booklet pane is removed is a piece of cardboard, folded in 2 in the middle, with the selvedge attached to the cardboard on the left and the 6 stamps on the right side, attached to the selvedge, but not attached to the cardboard backing. The stamps are designed to be detached from selvedge so they can be used on letters. In this instance, the stamps in the top row once detached and used will have perforations on the top, bottom, and either the left or the right side, with one straight edge on the opposite side. Collecting a reconstruction of a complete pane in this instance would involve locating six stamps, 4 of which would each have one straight edge and three edges with perforations, and 2 of which would each have two adjoining straight edges and two other edges with perforations.
For Harvey, it is good to see your fruitful efforts at reconstruction of a hard-to-find set of used singles, and especially with a couple of CDS postmarks. Nicely done!
JTH
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Findly, thanks so much.
Much success in your future collecting efforts.
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Thanks very much for posting a picture of a Canada booklet/booklet pane - now all confusion is gone!! Thanks to a few members my collection is finished, except for the reconstructed first two. I have no intention of replacing those, the thousand + needed takes it outside the area of a fun collection. I was contacted yesterday by a member who has the last three I need. I bought the cheaper two and asked him to hold the last one for a couple weeks. I feels good to be able to close down a collection. I hesitate to call it complete since I decided not to bother with the tagged varieties but that's close enough for me. That stock book contains the booklet panes, McDonald's stamp packets (legendary creatures, dinosaurs, Canada's folktales - 2 of each) and the mini sheets (12) to about 1990. A nice book to look at!! Thanks to all who helped!
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Hi Harvey,
The Halifax cancel on the booklet stamp you show reminded me of a short article I wrote a number of years ago about the Halifax Disaster in 1917 and the Canada booklet issued in 2017 to mark that event. I have attached a jpg of my article.
Fred
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Thanks Fred, great article and thanks for posting it!!
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Fist page of my booklet pane collection. The collection is what I call "complete" but a couple are still in the mail, one is reserved but not paid for and the first two are reconstructed, as shown!! The used 2 cent pane of 6 would be very expensive mint so used is fine!!
If anyone is trying to reconstruct the second booklet pane you can have my extra of the lower right corner stamp which is a bit harder to find. Just let me know! In catalogs BP singles are given an "s" code, for example 90bs.
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Can you explain why there are blocks of 6 then a block of 4?
I know nothing about these!
Who are the admirials (difficult for me to read when the photo is slanted)? They all look like the same person?
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21 May 2025
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"Can you explain why there are blocks of 6 then a block of 4?"
A reasonable question, but in philatelic parlance, they aren't "blocks", they are "booklet panes" and are listed as such in the catalogues. Depending on the number of panes and sometimes, mix of denominations in a complete booklet, the size of the pane may vary from 3 to 6 (or more in modern booklets).
"Who are the admirials (difficult for me to read when the photo is slanted)? They all look like the same person?"
Other than the top row, they are all the same person -- King George V of the United Kingdom (and Canada). The series shown is called the "Admiral Series" because he is wearing the uniform of a Naval Admiral. It was in use from 1911 to about 1929. The main sequence of numbers in Scott is #104 to #122, with coils,imperfs and surcharges numbers ranging from 123 to 140.
As Commander-In-Chief, the King may wear the uniform of any branch of the armed forces.
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Thanks Roy for explaining all that! My fault, I know that series as the Admirals because that's how it was always referred. Good thing I din't show my collection of the "Muftis". As to the series being slanted, sorry about that, if I show more pages I'll try to fix that! It's right-side-up in my pictures but quite often when I bring a picture into this area it seems to try to make it fit the space better - not sure why!!
EDIT: That's a great booklet you show in the "medallion" series. I have a few complete booklets, mostly in the later Elizabeth series. That one you have is very hard to find and quite pricey!!
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03 Jun 2025
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Just got my last booklet pane from Roy Lingen to officially finish my collection of booklet panes to my 1990ish (last one is 1180b, the wildlife series) cut off, except for my cheat on the first two as shown earlier in this post. I have no intention of replacing those because of the price and there are some tagging varieties I am not interested in. I'll post a few more pages at a later date if anyone is interested. That stock book also contains miniature sheets complete to the same cutoff and the set of six McDonalds sets in original cellophane. A great book to look through!!!
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08 Jun 2025
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Here are pages 2 and 3 of my Canada booklet pane collection if anyone wants to take a look!!!! It's amazing, they're right side up this time - I did absolutely nothing different!
Edit: Over the next couple weeks I'll post 4 more pages and then quit just before the QE II centennial issue, too many there to post!!
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Another interesting thing to reconstruct are stamps with a straight edge that are not from booklets.
I suspect these are from sheets that were printed without selvedge (i.e. just cut sheets). Can anyone confirm this?
Also, I think when the question was raised about a straight edge "all around" the OP didn't mean around the whole stamp (i.e. an imperf) he meant around the perimeter of the booklet. So a fair question about a straight edge on the left side (and also BL corner). As we saw in the examples of vertical vs horizontal booklet panes.
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"I suspect these are from sheets that were printed without selvedge (i.e. just cut sheets). Can anyone confirm this?"
I'm pretty sure you're right about that. I've got quite a few stamps from the 1920's and 1930's with a flat side. I thought about collecting them for a while and then realized they weren't really of any special interest.
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Ya, I have a couple straight-edge Admirals that don't show in the Canada Unitrade Catalog as being from booklets. And recently I got a batch of Canada War-Tax stamps (the early issues) that have straight edges and I can't imagine they were sold in booklets (also not listed as such in Unitrade).
I also considered, but then reconsidered, replicating the booklets with individual stamps (too much work for a lazy guy like me) - but know some folks like the idea and I think it's kinda cool. I set aside these for one of our members. I think some might also like to do the whole ring-around-the-rosie thing with the non-booklet straight-edge stamps too - you don't often see them so I think it would be a cool collecting sub-set.
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11 Jun 2025
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If you check Van Dam's book on Canada Revenues quite a few of the early war tax stamps had booklet panes, some are very pricey though! The only BP I have is FWT8c and it's a cheapie!!
I really have an interest in booklet panes. I am trying to do a reconstruction of a War Savings booklet pane that includes FWS7 to FWS14. When it's finished I'll post a picture! The War Savings stamps were pasted in booklets by people using them. I am lucky enough to have one of the books with a few stamps in it, the books are fairly hard to find!
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11:20:36am
re: Canada booklet panes
Here are pages 4 and 5 of my Canada booklet panes for anyone who is interested. This takes us to the end of The Kings. Next week I will show the first two pages of QEII and that's as far as I plan to go unless someone wants to see more. Once you get to the Centennial Series all H#@& breaks loose!!
Edit: I have posted many images over the years I have been a member. If anyone, for some reason, wants a copy of any of these please let me know and, assuming I can find it, I would be glad to pass it on! If you check my member information you can see what I collect.
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18 Jun 2025
10:54:58am
re: Canada booklet panes
Pages 6 and 7 of my collection for anyone who wants to see them. I'm not going any further because starting with the next QEII series the number of panes went up quite a bit. I am complete to 1990 but this is far enough!
Edit: If anyone would like me to take this further it's no big deal to post two more pages per week. It's just that the newer stuff is much more common and a bit boring. Let me know, otherwise I'll drop it here!
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I've enjoyed seeing them!
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19 Jun 2025
12:26:47pm
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Thanks Ari
They were fun to post and even more fun to collect! Once you get into the rest of the collection, if you want to be really complete, you have to worry about the phosphor tagging varieties as well. I decided not to go there so, even though I think of my collection as complete, it isn't really. But to me it's as complete as it's ever going to be!
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