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Chat initially suggested something to do with zloty, but then switched to Swastika-related ideas.
All covers are Greek; addressees are all in Austria; two different hand-writing
any IDs?
and the covers on which they appear
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Based on the issue date of the stamps (1934 / 1935) and the fact the letters are addressed to Vienna in Austria rather than Vienna in (Great) Germany, I would rule out the chance of these having anything to do with swastikas or other nazi-like symbols.
I assume they are stamped markings by the mailman, to identify the mail he delivered. In case of problems or complaints, the route and person who handled the letter were traceable. At least that is how it worked in the Netherlands. These cancels are called "bestellersstempels" ("deliverer's cancels")
I have read that similar systems were used in other countries as well, but I have not been able to find any examples yet, which is probably because I have no idea what the official name for such cancels would be in either German or English. In any case, I think that they were applied at the destination, just before the last stage of the delivery process.
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Jan-Simon,
are they used only internationally?
I assume D 86 is the bestellersstempel?
would you imagine that in the Dutch case, it's alphanumerical and in the Greek (or Austrian) case, hireglyphic?
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As far as I know, these were used on all mail until the system changed in the 1930s and yes, D86 is the bestellersstempel. It seems the letter indicates the shift and the number is for the mailman. Back in the day the mail was delivered multiple times per day (in the cities at least). In this case it was the fourth round. It is difficult to imagine nowadays...
I think it is Austrian and it looks like a monogram.
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i have several covers with similar (and sometimes identical) hand-stamped designs. Don't know if they're political, personal, or what. i don't think they're postal.
Chat initially suggested something to do with zloty, but then switched to Swastika-related ideas.
All covers are Greek; addressees are all in Austria; two different hand-writing
any IDs?
and the covers on which they appear
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re: help identify a hand stamp on Greek cover
Based on the issue date of the stamps (1934 / 1935) and the fact the letters are addressed to Vienna in Austria rather than Vienna in (Great) Germany, I would rule out the chance of these having anything to do with swastikas or other nazi-like symbols.
I assume they are stamped markings by the mailman, to identify the mail he delivered. In case of problems or complaints, the route and person who handled the letter were traceable. At least that is how it worked in the Netherlands. These cancels are called "bestellersstempels" ("deliverer's cancels")
I have read that similar systems were used in other countries as well, but I have not been able to find any examples yet, which is probably because I have no idea what the official name for such cancels would be in either German or English. In any case, I think that they were applied at the destination, just before the last stage of the delivery process.
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re: help identify a hand stamp on Greek cover
Jan-Simon,
are they used only internationally?
I assume D 86 is the bestellersstempel?
would you imagine that in the Dutch case, it's alphanumerical and in the Greek (or Austrian) case, hireglyphic?
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re: help identify a hand stamp on Greek cover
As far as I know, these were used on all mail until the system changed in the 1930s and yes, D86 is the bestellersstempel. It seems the letter indicates the shift and the number is for the mailman. Back in the day the mail was delivered multiple times per day (in the cities at least). In this case it was the fourth round. It is difficult to imagine nowadays...
I think it is Austrian and it looks like a monogram.
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