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Two scans for ease of viewing. Any help would be appreciated.
Mike
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It is a precancel and it is not given a separate catalog number in Scott.
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Thank you, Kim, for that information, but what would the "14" designate? I thought it was raising the face value from 2 centimes to 14 centimes, but I don't get paid to think, so am probably way off base here.
I could not find this stamp in the Michel catalog either.
Mike
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I think it's for 1914.
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Yes, it means 1914
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Sorry for my incomplete answer. Yes, both rwilliams1946 and Jansimon are correct -- it represents 1914. On many of the precancels that have numerals, it will either have the full 4-digit year or the right 2-digit part of the year.
Had it been a surcharge, then it would have been listed in Scott with its own catalog number. There are several examples in Scott of stamps with surcharges that were ONLY issued as precancels, such as Belgium #195-197(1Jan1929).
I don't think Scott, Michel, nor SG list precancel varieties of standard Belgian postage stamps. You have to look in a specialized catalog covering Benelux or Belgium.
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That is correct about Scott, Gibbons and Michel not listing precancels UNLESS there is a monetary surcharge included. However, Michel does have a small section in Belgium that shows the various precancels used and the years of use. Of course Michel mentions that the scarcest precancel, that is a six-sided geometric shape (hepagon?)has been faked.
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That's a great response to this question and I appreciate all that had some input into the answer. I don't think that I have ever seen a p/c with just an abbreviated year date before, but I guess that's happened now.
Again, thanks everyone.
Michael, I think you meant hexagon. LOL
Mike
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My COB (the specialized Belgium Catalogue) only lists the last series of precancels ("Preos" as they are called in French) and refers to a even more specialized catalogue dedicated to the precancels.
I have a collection of Belgian precancels of about 400 different stamps / different precancels. It looks huge, but it is only a fraction of the total amount as you have different cities, left-facing and right-facing, handcancels and typographic cancels...
Jan-Simon
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I also have a nice collection of the Belgium precancels, the inscription of the name of the city or contry goes till 1938. Acording to my accumation, the years was at 4 digit from 1894 (the oldest one I have) till 1899, starting in 1900 it came with 2 digit till the first WW... in 1914 the stamps have 2 digit like yours. 1 don't have stamps from 1915 to 1918, and my 1919 stamps have 4 digit till 1939. And have others prsesentations starting in 1939 till 1966, after that era the precancels have an other diseign "postal horne with frame (without year), the have precancel till the "birds" regular definitives. the precancel ending in 1997 with Scott # 1645. The postal horn and the frame was on all presentation from 1939 till the end. Email me form specific scan.
Jacques
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As far as I know, Belgium started using precancels in 1894. When you think of it, it is quite logical that you have no precancels from 1915 to 1918 because most of the country was occupied by Germany during World War 1.
When looking for precancels, the most interesting ones are those from cities other than Brussels or Antwerp, like Leuven/Louvain or Charleroi as they are much rarer.
Jan-Simon
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The stamp itself is Scott #93, Michel #90, but I'm not able to find this O/P at all.
Two scans for ease of viewing. Any help would be appreciated.
Mike
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re: Belgium: precancels
It is a precancel and it is not given a separate catalog number in Scott.
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re: Belgium: precancels
Thank you, Kim, for that information, but what would the "14" designate? I thought it was raising the face value from 2 centimes to 14 centimes, but I don't get paid to think, so am probably way off base here.
I could not find this stamp in the Michel catalog either.
Mike
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05:06:28pm
re: Belgium: precancels
I think it's for 1914.
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re: Belgium: precancels
Sorry for my incomplete answer. Yes, both rwilliams1946 and Jansimon are correct -- it represents 1914. On many of the precancels that have numerals, it will either have the full 4-digit year or the right 2-digit part of the year.
Had it been a surcharge, then it would have been listed in Scott with its own catalog number. There are several examples in Scott of stamps with surcharges that were ONLY issued as precancels, such as Belgium #195-197(1Jan1929).
I don't think Scott, Michel, nor SG list precancel varieties of standard Belgian postage stamps. You have to look in a specialized catalog covering Benelux or Belgium.
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09:28:48pm
re: Belgium: precancels
That is correct about Scott, Gibbons and Michel not listing precancels UNLESS there is a monetary surcharge included. However, Michel does have a small section in Belgium that shows the various precancels used and the years of use. Of course Michel mentions that the scarcest precancel, that is a six-sided geometric shape (hepagon?)has been faked.
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re: Belgium: precancels
That's a great response to this question and I appreciate all that had some input into the answer. I don't think that I have ever seen a p/c with just an abbreviated year date before, but I guess that's happened now.
Again, thanks everyone.
Michael, I think you meant hexagon. LOL
Mike
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re: Belgium: precancels
My COB (the specialized Belgium Catalogue) only lists the last series of precancels ("Preos" as they are called in French) and refers to a even more specialized catalogue dedicated to the precancels.
I have a collection of Belgian precancels of about 400 different stamps / different precancels. It looks huge, but it is only a fraction of the total amount as you have different cities, left-facing and right-facing, handcancels and typographic cancels...
Jan-Simon
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re: Belgium: precancels
I also have a nice collection of the Belgium precancels, the inscription of the name of the city or contry goes till 1938. Acording to my accumation, the years was at 4 digit from 1894 (the oldest one I have) till 1899, starting in 1900 it came with 2 digit till the first WW... in 1914 the stamps have 2 digit like yours. 1 don't have stamps from 1915 to 1918, and my 1919 stamps have 4 digit till 1939. And have others prsesentations starting in 1939 till 1966, after that era the precancels have an other diseign "postal horne with frame (without year), the have precancel till the "birds" regular definitives. the precancel ending in 1997 with Scott # 1645. The postal horn and the frame was on all presentation from 1939 till the end. Email me form specific scan.
Jacques
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re: Belgium: precancels
As far as I know, Belgium started using precancels in 1894. When you think of it, it is quite logical that you have no precancels from 1915 to 1918 because most of the country was occupied by Germany during World War 1.
When looking for precancels, the most interesting ones are those from cities other than Brussels or Antwerp, like Leuven/Louvain or Charleroi as they are much rarer.
Jan-Simon
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