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Worldwide/Cinderellas & Seals : Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

 

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18 Dec 2011
10:17:46pm
How do you like this item?
This artist Joseph Kenyon, printed up this limited edition of 20,
this is #1, copying format of the Pan-Am issue. Stamps are printed on
thin board, imperf. A beautiful job. I think that they are illegal,
even though listed as art.
He signed the sheet or me.
Sheet was originally advertised on SOR, against the rules, and ad was removed, but I contacted Kenyon, and we arranged for a swap of foreign stamps for this sheet.
What say you, is this an illegal printing, or is it just a form of art, as originally advertised?
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18 Dec 2011
11:23:52pm
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

That looks like beautiful artwork to me, Richaard. I would be very happy to have that on my stamp wall.

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Liz

18 Dec 2011
11:27:36pm
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

My goodness! The artist has spelled 'Niagara' incorrectly.

I know nothing about these other than the fact that they are not postage stamps (LOL).

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19 Dec 2011
12:29:08am
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Dear Richard,
Where is there any attempt to portray this as a stamp and offered for sale as a stamp? With that in mind, and no apparent attempt defraud anyone,why might you consider this illegal? I think Mike has it right. With the spelling error, imperforate sheet and paper quality there ought not to be any question about it being something other than a stamp. I believe that this artist has also done many of the U.S. rarities as an artistic rendition, and clearly labels them as such. If I'm mistaken about the artist, then there is another chap who does. This artform has been around for several years now to my knowledge, and has not been challenged as to its legality.
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19 Dec 2011
12:32:20am
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

By golly, I never even noticed the misspelling of Niagara.
Mike, sheet is not for sale, but perhaps someday. it makes for a great conversation piece.
I just had an email from the artist Joseph Kenyon, and he confirmed that only the 20 sheets were made, and they are all in collector's hands. Mine is sheet #1.
Check the artist out on Google, put in Joe Kenyon, artist.
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19 Dec 2011
12:35:53am
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Hey, I just noticed that I spelled unusual with two "l's". Are these posts errors?
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19 Dec 2011
12:50:35am
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

No, always referred to as art. No claim to it being a real stamp. I thought that perhaps due to the fact that it said US Postage with a 5c denomination, that there might be a problem.
BTW, the artist has designed several Zazzle real 44c stamps.
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19 Dec 2011
08:37:57am

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re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Richard,

was this advertised on the DB and therefore against the rules? or was it in the auction as a cinderella? I don't remember the latter at all.

As to legality, that would be up to Treasury. My guess is that "US Postage" moves it into the category of currency forgery, regardless of intent or proximity to real postage. The New Yorker had a great article many years ago about an artist who drew imaginitive dollars and whose art included the receipt for which he was payinng and the change he received. FBI arrested him numerous times. His bills were always drawn in such a way as to easily distinguishable from real currency.

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19 Dec 2011
12:30:05pm
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Just keep in mind that the US Secret Service which investigates currency forgerys is about as humorless as any government agency anywhere. By the time it might come to their attention and a decision about its legality rendered, the "crime," if any, would have been consumated and the troubles of the artist well underway.
While the artist may have used a cardboard material for his artwork, I think that the USSS might get excited about is the plates that the "stamps" were printed from.
Is the artist in the US ?

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19 Dec 2011
03:34:55pm
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

I may be wrong but I thought the Postal Inspector not the Secret Servie was reponsible for postal crimes. I know during the J Edgar Hoover years, specifically when Farley ran the postal system there was a lot of annomisity beteen the Postal Service (Farley) and the (J Edgar Hoover) FBI regarding investigations. Between the FBI and the Postal Inspectors it is estimated that 10% of international mail was opened,read,resealed and sent to its destination. Both the FBI and the Postal inspectors also opened and read domestic mail being sent and received by persons of interest.

According to my attorney friends in order for the sheet of stamps to be considered a crime of forgery it has to used with the "intent to deceive". The stamp art work obviously was not intended to deceive.


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20 Dec 2011
02:58:30am
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Very nice and a great way to get a great space filler.

But every Stamp Art should have "private reprint" clearly printed on the back of the stamp.

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20 Dec 2011
12:28:40pm
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

A good point.
I suppose that if someone tried to use a label from the printing the Postal Inspectors would certainly be interested and perhaps we would see one of those turf wars between federal agencies that populate so many crime drama shows.
I believe they are also just as humorless as the USSS.

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21 Dec 2011
12:43:07am
re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

I am not sure where it was advertized on SOR, as it was over two years ago, buy I think it was under General stamp Collecting.
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18 Dec 2011
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How do you like this item?
This artist Joseph Kenyon, printed up this limited edition of 20,
this is #1, copying format of the Pan-Am issue. Stamps are printed on
thin board, imperf. A beautiful job. I think that they are illegal,
even though listed as art.
He signed the sheet or me.
Sheet was originally advertised on SOR, against the rules, and ad was removed, but I contacted Kenyon, and we arranged for a swap of foreign stamps for this sheet.
What say you, is this an illegal printing, or is it just a form of art, as originally advertised?
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18 Dec 2011
11:23:52pm

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

That looks like beautiful artwork to me, Richaard. I would be very happy to have that on my stamp wall.

Mike

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Liz
18 Dec 2011
11:27:36pm

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

My goodness! The artist has spelled 'Niagara' incorrectly.

I know nothing about these other than the fact that they are not postage stamps (LOL).

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19 Dec 2011
12:29:08am

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Dear Richard,
Where is there any attempt to portray this as a stamp and offered for sale as a stamp? With that in mind, and no apparent attempt defraud anyone,why might you consider this illegal? I think Mike has it right. With the spelling error, imperforate sheet and paper quality there ought not to be any question about it being something other than a stamp. I believe that this artist has also done many of the U.S. rarities as an artistic rendition, and clearly labels them as such. If I'm mistaken about the artist, then there is another chap who does. This artform has been around for several years now to my knowledge, and has not been challenged as to its legality.
Dan C.

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19 Dec 2011
12:32:20am

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

By golly, I never even noticed the misspelling of Niagara.
Mike, sheet is not for sale, but perhaps someday. it makes for a great conversation piece.
I just had an email from the artist Joseph Kenyon, and he confirmed that only the 20 sheets were made, and they are all in collector's hands. Mine is sheet #1.
Check the artist out on Google, put in Joe Kenyon, artist.
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19 Dec 2011
12:35:53am

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Hey, I just noticed that I spelled unusual with two "l's". Are these posts errors?
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19 Dec 2011
12:50:35am

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

No, always referred to as art. No claim to it being a real stamp. I thought that perhaps due to the fact that it said US Postage with a 5c denomination, that there might be a problem.
BTW, the artist has designed several Zazzle real 44c stamps.
Richaard

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19 Dec 2011
08:37:57am

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re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Richard,

was this advertised on the DB and therefore against the rules? or was it in the auction as a cinderella? I don't remember the latter at all.

As to legality, that would be up to Treasury. My guess is that "US Postage" moves it into the category of currency forgery, regardless of intent or proximity to real postage. The New Yorker had a great article many years ago about an artist who drew imaginitive dollars and whose art included the receipt for which he was payinng and the change he received. FBI arrested him numerous times. His bills were always drawn in such a way as to easily distinguishable from real currency.

David

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19 Dec 2011
12:30:05pm

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Just keep in mind that the US Secret Service which investigates currency forgerys is about as humorless as any government agency anywhere. By the time it might come to their attention and a decision about its legality rendered, the "crime," if any, would have been consumated and the troubles of the artist well underway.
While the artist may have used a cardboard material for his artwork, I think that the USSS might get excited about is the plates that the "stamps" were printed from.
Is the artist in the US ?

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19 Dec 2011
03:34:55pm

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

I may be wrong but I thought the Postal Inspector not the Secret Servie was reponsible for postal crimes. I know during the J Edgar Hoover years, specifically when Farley ran the postal system there was a lot of annomisity beteen the Postal Service (Farley) and the (J Edgar Hoover) FBI regarding investigations. Between the FBI and the Postal Inspectors it is estimated that 10% of international mail was opened,read,resealed and sent to its destination. Both the FBI and the Postal inspectors also opened and read domestic mail being sent and received by persons of interest.

According to my attorney friends in order for the sheet of stamps to be considered a crime of forgery it has to used with the "intent to deceive". The stamp art work obviously was not intended to deceive.


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20 Dec 2011
02:58:30am

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

Very nice and a great way to get a great space filler.

But every Stamp Art should have "private reprint" clearly printed on the back of the stamp.

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20 Dec 2011
12:28:40pm

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

A good point.
I suppose that if someone tried to use a label from the printing the Postal Inspectors would certainly be interested and perhaps we would see one of those turf wars between federal agencies that populate so many crime drama shows.
I believe they are also just as humorless as the USSS.

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21 Dec 2011
12:43:07am

re: Unusual Cinderella: inverted bridge at Niagara

I am not sure where it was advertized on SOR, as it was over two years ago, buy I think it was under General stamp Collecting.
Richaard

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