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oldtriguy1960
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24 Jun 2013
06:39:23am
Here are some old Japan stamps I've finished sorting.
I don't collect Japan, but thought I'd share the pic.
Maybe there are some good cancels here?
Not sure if I want to try to auction these or offer them for trade.

photobucket:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x295/oldtriguy/Old%20Japan%20Stamps/JapanOld.jpg


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Here are the Scott #s
Japan used stamps
Scott #s

Row 1: Years 1876-1877: 56, 58, 61, 64, Year 1879: 68
Row 2: Year 1883: 72, 72, 73, 74, 74 (Torn corner)
Row 3: Years 1888-1892: 75, 77, 79, 80, 82
Row 4: Years 1899-1907: 96, 97, 97, 98, 98, 100, 103, 105
Row 5: Years 1899-1907: 107, Year 1900: 109, Year 1913: 116, 118, 119, 119, 121, 122
Row 6: Year 1919: 141, Years 1930-1937: 172, 174, 176, Year 1937: 242, 248

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24 Jun 2013
08:54:49am
re: Cancellations on older Japan Stamps

Hi Dave,

I do not have the best expertise in Japanese cancellations, but the vast majority of used Japan stamps from 1876 to 1914 have cancellations indicating use for payment of fees for telegraph, telephone, money order etc. services. The catalog values for used stamps are for postally used stamps ONLY. Stamps with non-postal cancels value 20% of the used values at best. I quit my Japan collection a few years ago. I found finding actually postally used stamps of the time period much more challenging than what the 20% rule, which indicates a 1:5 ratio, suggests.

Typical telegraph etc. non-postal cancels, as per Michel catalog:

Double circle with blank inner circle such as on your #58 and 64.

Circular cancel with all characters and dividing line such as your #72, 73, 74 etc.

The cancel on #98 and 107 appear to be postal cancels. Very similar non-postal cancels exist. The difference is the time given in the bottom of the ring, i.e., 1-2 on the #98 and 9-10 on the #107. Perhaps someone with better knowledge can independently verify this. Essentially identical cancels with three stars at the bottom in lieu of a time mark are non-postal. Accordingly, many of the postmarks cannot be identified, because they only show partial strikes. If in doubt, the stamp counts as non-postal. The high catalog value of some of these stamps in used condition, even though the stamps as such are actually quite plentiful, is due solely to the fact that a clearly identifiable postmark is required. Clearly identifiable, SON etc., postmarks are rare however.

To sum it up, based on the little I know, it is a postal cancels if you have a time mark in the cancel. Also, it is a postal cancel if you have the post office stated in Latin characters (Yokohama etc.) because at the time postmarks with Latin city names were only used for foreign mail.

Based on my quick assessment, and my limited knowledge, you have not much of value here. Perhaps someone with a Sakura catalog can weigh in. I never collected Japan "specialized" but had a simple country-by-catalog collection until I woke up one day finding that the aesthetics of Japanese stamps generally doesn't appeal to me. The flood of Hello Kitty stamps then put me over the edge.

Arno


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cocollectibles

24 Jun 2013
09:13:10am
re: Cancellations on older Japan Stamps

I don't know if he is here, but Dave by the handle of philatarium at bidStart and who is active on other boards, is an expert on Japan issues. I'll send him an email with this link in case he hasn't seen it. It would be great to have him here in any event.

Cheers,
Peter

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24 Jun 2013
07:30:46pm
re: Cancellations on older Japan Stamps

Thanks for all that info Arno! I didn't realize there was so much I didn't know about Japan stamps. (Not that I know anything about them anyway Laughing

Perhaps they would be useful to a beginning collector that is just interested in filling spots in an album.

Dave N.
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24 Jun 2013
06:39:23am

Here are some old Japan stamps I've finished sorting.
I don't collect Japan, but thought I'd share the pic.
Maybe there are some good cancels here?
Not sure if I want to try to auction these or offer them for trade.

photobucket:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x295/oldtriguy/Old%20Japan%20Stamps/JapanOld.jpg


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Here are the Scott #s
Japan used stamps
Scott #s

Row 1: Years 1876-1877: 56, 58, 61, 64, Year 1879: 68
Row 2: Year 1883: 72, 72, 73, 74, 74 (Torn corner)
Row 3: Years 1888-1892: 75, 77, 79, 80, 82
Row 4: Years 1899-1907: 96, 97, 97, 98, 98, 100, 103, 105
Row 5: Years 1899-1907: 107, Year 1900: 109, Year 1913: 116, 118, 119, 119, 121, 122
Row 6: Year 1919: 141, Years 1930-1937: 172, 174, 176, Year 1937: 242, 248

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24 Jun 2013
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re: Cancellations on older Japan Stamps

Hi Dave,

I do not have the best expertise in Japanese cancellations, but the vast majority of used Japan stamps from 1876 to 1914 have cancellations indicating use for payment of fees for telegraph, telephone, money order etc. services. The catalog values for used stamps are for postally used stamps ONLY. Stamps with non-postal cancels value 20% of the used values at best. I quit my Japan collection a few years ago. I found finding actually postally used stamps of the time period much more challenging than what the 20% rule, which indicates a 1:5 ratio, suggests.

Typical telegraph etc. non-postal cancels, as per Michel catalog:

Double circle with blank inner circle such as on your #58 and 64.

Circular cancel with all characters and dividing line such as your #72, 73, 74 etc.

The cancel on #98 and 107 appear to be postal cancels. Very similar non-postal cancels exist. The difference is the time given in the bottom of the ring, i.e., 1-2 on the #98 and 9-10 on the #107. Perhaps someone with better knowledge can independently verify this. Essentially identical cancels with three stars at the bottom in lieu of a time mark are non-postal. Accordingly, many of the postmarks cannot be identified, because they only show partial strikes. If in doubt, the stamp counts as non-postal. The high catalog value of some of these stamps in used condition, even though the stamps as such are actually quite plentiful, is due solely to the fact that a clearly identifiable postmark is required. Clearly identifiable, SON etc., postmarks are rare however.

To sum it up, based on the little I know, it is a postal cancels if you have a time mark in the cancel. Also, it is a postal cancel if you have the post office stated in Latin characters (Yokohama etc.) because at the time postmarks with Latin city names were only used for foreign mail.

Based on my quick assessment, and my limited knowledge, you have not much of value here. Perhaps someone with a Sakura catalog can weigh in. I never collected Japan "specialized" but had a simple country-by-catalog collection until I woke up one day finding that the aesthetics of Japanese stamps generally doesn't appeal to me. The flood of Hello Kitty stamps then put me over the edge.

Arno


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cocollectibles

24 Jun 2013
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re: Cancellations on older Japan Stamps

I don't know if he is here, but Dave by the handle of philatarium at bidStart and who is active on other boards, is an expert on Japan issues. I'll send him an email with this link in case he hasn't seen it. It would be great to have him here in any event.

Cheers,
Peter

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24 Jun 2013
07:30:46pm

re: Cancellations on older Japan Stamps

Thanks for all that info Arno! I didn't realize there was so much I didn't know about Japan stamps. (Not that I know anything about them anyway Laughing

Perhaps they would be useful to a beginning collector that is just interested in filling spots in an album.

Dave N.
oldtriguy1960

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