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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Sweden Stamp

 

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adam31415926
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22 May 2015
03:08:58pm
I need help with this one. It has an unusual watermark that I could not find in Scott. It is perforated 10 vertically.

Thanks.

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22 May 2015
03:15:58pm
re: Sweden Stamp

In my Scott (2009) after #98 there is a note about this. This watermark appears in the margins of a normally watermarked sheet.

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22 May 2015
03:33:55pm
re: Sweden Stamp

Any idea what the value might be?

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22 May 2015
04:14:50pm
re: Sweden Stamp

Dare I say "marginally" more? Happy

My 20-year-old Facit catalog does show a small premium for them, if you can find someone willing to buy them...

Chris

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michael78651

22 May 2015
07:22:57pm
re: Sweden Stamp

I like that, Chris! Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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jimjung

23 May 2015
10:19:16am
re: Sweden Stamp

I don't know much about Swedish stamps myself but I did find a website with Facit Numbers and Retail? prices for this stamp. Maybe you can check the website as I may have copied the wrong info:

http://scand.net/en/pris1855_1944eu.asp

144A 10 o green 32,89 10,78 0,27
144Abz " watermark letters 106,76 33,43 4,53
144Acx " watermark lines / 3,24 1,29 0,75
144Acxz " wm lines / + letters 22,11 7,23 5,39
144Acc " wm inverted lines \ 50,69 18,33 15,10
144Acz " wm \ + letters 0,00 186,03 83,58
144Ca " 4-sides perf. 14,88 5,93 2,16
144Cbz " 4-sides wm letters 196,27 65,78 90,05
144Ccx " 4-sides wm lines / 47,45 21,03 53,38
144Ccxz " 4-sides wm / + letters 142,89 72,25 145,05
144Ecx " perf.13 wm lines / 5,93 3,88 22,11
144Ecxz " perf.13 wm / + letters 65,25 44,75 118,63

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Steve

25 May 2015
12:18:03am
re: Sweden Stamp

Nice timing: I just ran across a similar problem today. Found this stamp in a mixed lot and identified it as Sweden Scott O35 or Scott O51, depending on watermark.

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And here is the watermark:

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Now, I'm no expert at watermarking, but even I could recognize that the double-lined letters were not part of Watermark #180 ("crown") or Watermark #181 ("wavy lines"). And while there is no crown here, there does appear to be a wavy line in the lower left. To me the letters look like "E-R-Y" (backwards) as I crudely traced here:

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That seeming wavy line more or less matched other stamps of the same design from the same lot. I thought I had an oddity, until I saw Chris' note about the "Unwatermarked Stamps with Watermarks" comment in the Scott Catalog. My catalog (2013) says the same thing.

Now I have two new questions to replace the one that was answered! At Wits End

1. If my watermark is E-R-Y, it does not match any part of the pattern. Could it be E-R-K?

2. More importantly, neither the 1910-12 series nor the 1910-19 series of official stamps are listed as unwatermarked. This means that if I have correctly identified the stamp as being either O35 or O51, then it should not have the double-lined letters at all, per the comment following the 1911-19 entries in the regular postage section.

Thanks for any more light you can shed on the topic.

-Steve

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Mike

25 May 2015
10:46:34am
re: Sweden Stamp

The KPV watermark that Chris mentioned, after #98 in the Scott's catalog states Kungl Postverket" which is deceiving, because then it says in "double lined CAPITAL letters. It could have been better explained, but for some reason was not. Both of these stamps look to be part of the ERK of KUNGL POSTVERKET, at least IMHO. Also Steve, yours could have the wavy line watermark along with the above mentioned. According to my 2007 Facit Adam's stamp is listed at 75 Kroner and Steve's is 100 Krona. The Krona is listed at 8.42 to one US dollar today.
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Steve

25 May 2015
06:05:16pm
re: Sweden Stamp

Thanks, Mike. Your post caused me to go back and re-read that special note more carefully. And yes indeed, the double-lined letters may appear with the wavy watermarks. I still think my third letter looks like a "Y," but I might just have to chalk that up to my lack of experience with the Swedish language! Happy

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25 May 2015
06:27:31pm
re: Sweden Stamp

I think the top "branch" of your "Y" may actually be the cancellation showing through. I can see a line going straight up from the base of the letter as it would if it were a "K" like it should be...

Chris

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Steve

26 May 2015
03:54:21pm
re: Sweden Stamp

Chris, I'm going to go back and take another look. You may be right. I came across another stamp that had the same double-line letter watermark. If I can remember where I put it, I'll see if I can get a good picture of it as well.

Thanks for the advice. As a casual Scott International WW collector, I normally don't pay attention to watermarks, as Scott only offers one position for a given design. So from my album standpoint, it doesn't really matter if it is Scott O35 or O51. But in the back of my mind, I'm using that WW collection to help me find a country to collect with a Scott Specialized album. Sweden is on my list as I have always liked their stamps. But so are a bunch of other countries, so I will probably keep looking and collecting WW for another year or two before seeing which bug bites the strongest!

-Steve

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10 Jun 2015
05:25:57pm
re: Sweden Stamp

Hi, here are the varieties of the watermark Wave lines and KUNGL POSTVERKET (referred to as KPV). Kungl. postverket means "Royal Post Office".
The KPV can also be found with the watermark Crown but theese stamps are quite unusual and expensive.
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22 May 2015
03:08:58pm

I need help with this one. It has an unusual watermark that I could not find in Scott. It is perforated 10 vertically.

Thanks.

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22 May 2015
03:15:58pm

re: Sweden Stamp

In my Scott (2009) after #98 there is a note about this. This watermark appears in the margins of a normally watermarked sheet.

Chris

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22 May 2015
03:33:55pm

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Any idea what the value might be?

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22 May 2015
04:14:50pm

re: Sweden Stamp

Dare I say "marginally" more? Happy

My 20-year-old Facit catalog does show a small premium for them, if you can find someone willing to buy them...

Chris

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michael78651

22 May 2015
07:22:57pm

re: Sweden Stamp

I like that, Chris! Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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jimjung

23 May 2015
10:19:16am

re: Sweden Stamp

I don't know much about Swedish stamps myself but I did find a website with Facit Numbers and Retail? prices for this stamp. Maybe you can check the website as I may have copied the wrong info:

http://scand.net/en/pris1855_1944eu.asp

144A 10 o green 32,89 10,78 0,27
144Abz " watermark letters 106,76 33,43 4,53
144Acx " watermark lines / 3,24 1,29 0,75
144Acxz " wm lines / + letters 22,11 7,23 5,39
144Acc " wm inverted lines \ 50,69 18,33 15,10
144Acz " wm \ + letters 0,00 186,03 83,58
144Ca " 4-sides perf. 14,88 5,93 2,16
144Cbz " 4-sides wm letters 196,27 65,78 90,05
144Ccx " 4-sides wm lines / 47,45 21,03 53,38
144Ccxz " 4-sides wm / + letters 142,89 72,25 145,05
144Ecx " perf.13 wm lines / 5,93 3,88 22,11
144Ecxz " perf.13 wm / + letters 65,25 44,75 118,63

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Steve
25 May 2015
12:18:03am

re: Sweden Stamp

Nice timing: I just ran across a similar problem today. Found this stamp in a mixed lot and identified it as Sweden Scott O35 or Scott O51, depending on watermark.

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And here is the watermark:

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Now, I'm no expert at watermarking, but even I could recognize that the double-lined letters were not part of Watermark #180 ("crown") or Watermark #181 ("wavy lines"). And while there is no crown here, there does appear to be a wavy line in the lower left. To me the letters look like "E-R-Y" (backwards) as I crudely traced here:

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That seeming wavy line more or less matched other stamps of the same design from the same lot. I thought I had an oddity, until I saw Chris' note about the "Unwatermarked Stamps with Watermarks" comment in the Scott Catalog. My catalog (2013) says the same thing.

Now I have two new questions to replace the one that was answered! At Wits End

1. If my watermark is E-R-Y, it does not match any part of the pattern. Could it be E-R-K?

2. More importantly, neither the 1910-12 series nor the 1910-19 series of official stamps are listed as unwatermarked. This means that if I have correctly identified the stamp as being either O35 or O51, then it should not have the double-lined letters at all, per the comment following the 1911-19 entries in the regular postage section.

Thanks for any more light you can shed on the topic.

-Steve

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Mike
25 May 2015
10:46:34am

re: Sweden Stamp

The KPV watermark that Chris mentioned, after #98 in the Scott's catalog states Kungl Postverket" which is deceiving, because then it says in "double lined CAPITAL letters. It could have been better explained, but for some reason was not. Both of these stamps look to be part of the ERK of KUNGL POSTVERKET, at least IMHO. Also Steve, yours could have the wavy line watermark along with the above mentioned. According to my 2007 Facit Adam's stamp is listed at 75 Kroner and Steve's is 100 Krona. The Krona is listed at 8.42 to one US dollar today.
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Steve
25 May 2015
06:05:16pm

re: Sweden Stamp

Thanks, Mike. Your post caused me to go back and re-read that special note more carefully. And yes indeed, the double-lined letters may appear with the wavy watermarks. I still think my third letter looks like a "Y," but I might just have to chalk that up to my lack of experience with the Swedish language! Happy

-Steve

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25 May 2015
06:27:31pm

re: Sweden Stamp

I think the top "branch" of your "Y" may actually be the cancellation showing through. I can see a line going straight up from the base of the letter as it would if it were a "K" like it should be...

Chris

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Steve
26 May 2015
03:54:21pm

re: Sweden Stamp

Chris, I'm going to go back and take another look. You may be right. I came across another stamp that had the same double-line letter watermark. If I can remember where I put it, I'll see if I can get a good picture of it as well.

Thanks for the advice. As a casual Scott International WW collector, I normally don't pay attention to watermarks, as Scott only offers one position for a given design. So from my album standpoint, it doesn't really matter if it is Scott O35 or O51. But in the back of my mind, I'm using that WW collection to help me find a country to collect with a Scott Specialized album. Sweden is on my list as I have always liked their stamps. But so are a bunch of other countries, so I will probably keep looking and collecting WW for another year or two before seeing which bug bites the strongest!

-Steve

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10 Jun 2015
05:25:57pm

re: Sweden Stamp

Hi, here are the varieties of the watermark Wave lines and KUNGL POSTVERKET (referred to as KPV). Kungl. postverket means "Royal Post Office".
The KPV can also be found with the watermark Crown but theese stamps are quite unusual and expensive.
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