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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

 

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Tobbe656
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27 Jan 2016
10:19:17am
Hi all,
I have found a strange Sudan stamp. Thick paper with no wmk. Perf. 10 3/4.
It´s not listen in Stanley Gibbons. Any cluesImage Not Found?

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Dambrovski
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In Arduis Fidelis

27 Jan 2016
01:30:08pm
re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

I can't tell about the paper but this looks like the 1898 1 piastre blue and brown SG 24.

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27 Jan 2016
02:19:36pm
re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

I think we can safely say this is a forgery. Not only are the perforations awful and the wrong gauge, and it does not have a watermark

Genuine copy:


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The blue background 'tablet' or 'cartouche' is ragged and not the oval shape it should be. Note also in the native value tablet, the more cursive first character on the genuine. There are probably other differences but I think these will do.

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Ningpo
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27 Jan 2016
02:35:27pm
re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

OK. So the next question is: what is the proper name for the 'cartouche' that I described as oval?

It is not oval, nor is it elliptical. The closest is squircle but this should be a square with radiused shoulders (like that of a circle).

So what's your nomination. Mine is rectircle.

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youpiao
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27 Jan 2016
07:44:27pm
re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

Oblong.

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Ningpo
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27 Jan 2016
09:10:53pm
re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

Well what do you know! After all these years I understood an oblong to be:

n.
An object or figure, such as a rectangle, with an elongated shape.

Now I find:

adj.
1. Deviating from a square, circular, or spherical form by being elongated in one direction.
2. Having the shape of or resembling a rectangle or ellipse.
3. Botany: Having an elongated form with approximately parallel sides: an oblong leaf.

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Tobbe656

27 Jan 2016
10:19:17am

Hi all,
I have found a strange Sudan stamp. Thick paper with no wmk. Perf. 10 3/4.
It´s not listen in Stanley Gibbons. Any cluesImage Not Found?

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Dambrovski

In Arduis Fidelis
27 Jan 2016
01:30:08pm

re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

I can't tell about the paper but this looks like the 1898 1 piastre blue and brown SG 24.

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Ningpo

27 Jan 2016
02:19:36pm

re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

I think we can safely say this is a forgery. Not only are the perforations awful and the wrong gauge, and it does not have a watermark

Genuine copy:


Image Not Found

The blue background 'tablet' or 'cartouche' is ragged and not the oval shape it should be. Note also in the native value tablet, the more cursive first character on the genuine. There are probably other differences but I think these will do.

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Ningpo

27 Jan 2016
02:35:27pm

re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

OK. So the next question is: what is the proper name for the 'cartouche' that I described as oval?

It is not oval, nor is it elliptical. The closest is squircle but this should be a square with radiused shoulders (like that of a circle).

So what's your nomination. Mine is rectircle.

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youpiao

27 Jan 2016
07:44:27pm

re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

Oblong.

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"Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG. Zoom-Boing. Z'nourrwringmm"
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Ningpo

27 Jan 2016
09:10:53pm

re: Sudan 1 pi, forgery??

Well what do you know! After all these years I understood an oblong to be:

n.
An object or figure, such as a rectangle, with an elongated shape.

Now I find:

adj.
1. Deviating from a square, circular, or spherical form by being elongated in one direction.
2. Having the shape of or resembling a rectangle or ellipse.
3. Botany: Having an elongated form with approximately parallel sides: an oblong leaf.

A cigar to you Sir!



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