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The membership and moderators have voiced concern over the number of violations of approval rules, (especially #C8b) in existing approval books. (No damaged stamps may be sold in the approvals). Therefore, any damaged stamps must be removed within 21 days (3 weeks) or by April 14th. Failure to do so will result in the closure of any book in violation of this rule. Please be aware that moderators will be monitoring the books more closely for compliance with all of the rules.
The complete rules may be read here:
https://stamporama.com/forms/display_for ...
Note - To “remove” a damaged stamp, change the status of that number on the page to disabled.
Damaged stamps with a catalog value above $5.00 may be listed in the auction as long as the faults are clearly described.
Sellers are welcome to list selections of space-fillers, seconds and other damaged philatelic material in the classified ads section of the discussion board which is located here:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_ma ...
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So glad to read this! Hoping you mods take strong action where required. Yeah, I know we sellers can occasionally miss the odd damaged stamp. I have been guilty of this. Some sellers are flagrantly and shamefully violating the listing rules. I have seen Approval books were over 40% of the stamps have obvious faults. A few rejected books will quickly get the message across to the offenders. Better for Stamporama sales and membership in the long run.
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Nice to see that the idea presented by Philatelia of an anonymous moderator has been adopted!
May I suggest that this first post be sent out to each members email address as not all Approval Sellers may read the Discussion Board.
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"How about some other blatant violations of the rules?
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Which rule would you like me to blatantly violate?
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"Please be aware that moderators will be monitoring the books more closely for compliance with all of the rules"
@RALPH;
I think this statement covers your question.
"...ALL of the rules."
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Over the years - I probably have listed a damaged stamp. However, if selected and I notice the damage - I inform the buyer and do not include the stamp on the invoice. Sometimes the damage occurs when I remove the hinged stamp from the approval page and of course I do not include that stamp. Sometimes a stamp may be sent to a buyer that has a thin on the back that I missed and if they alert me to the issue - I give them an immediate refund and do not require the stamp to be returned. When dealing with the volume of stamps I have sold here - I do make an occasional mistake but it is never intentional. I am happy to see that the rules will be enforced against everyone and if I do something wrong I have no issue being penalized. .Steve
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I have a few stamps in my albums with thins and always make a comment above or below the stamp if there is any damage. It's part of the game and if the stamp, especially if it is rare(ish), has survived for more than 100 years then who am I to chuck it? Replace it maybe, but I have been known to keep both. I remember one of the first stamps I ever owned that was worth(?) over $10 was a stamp I picked out of a barrel in a stamps store for $0.05. It had a rounded corner but I still have that stamp mounted with the rest of my Ryukyu Island stamps and, I know this sounds very silly, but that stamp brings back good memories of the hitch hiked trip to that Halifax stamp store. As I just said in another post "collectors are a weird bunch"!
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please understand the NO DAMAGED rule applies ONLY to approval books.
you may list damaged stamps in the auction, but only if the CV of the stamp is $5 or more.
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What I do with raggedy, badly damaged, common stamps…
https://youtube.com/shorts/YDb3W1su1OM?feature=share
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"What I do with raggedy, badly damaged, common stamps"
Or you could give them to a preschooler along with a glue stick. Children are less obsessed with condition. They might actually have some fun with these colorful bits of paper. I sometimes wonder how many young children are turned off on stamp collecting by obsessive adult collectors' insistence on perfection.
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I know that collectors cringe at seeing stamps tossed, but, hfbaker, while your sentiment is understandable and very kind to think of children, I do disagree with your comment for several reasons.
First - I am NOT tossing these because of “an obsessive adult collectors insistence on perfection” I am tossing them because they are utterly uncollectible. I kept many with minor faults that are slightly less common, had cancels, etc.
I have actively made a great effort to put stamps into the hands of young collectors. Have you tried to do what you suggested? Getting kids interesting in collecting nowadays is rather difficult. I contacted various local scout troops last year about donating stamps and the response was practically nonexistent and the packets I made up for our local stamp club to give away free to kids have gone slowly. The stamps I threw away would have been boring to children anyways - mostly heads of people, blah color, dirty and musty - nothing to catch their interest. And, stamps on paper do not make for good decoupage material. Besides, by telling them to glue them onto an art project, you are teaching them that stamps have no intrinsic value. To get kids interested in stamp COLLECTING, you need to provide them with colorful commemoratives that they can claim as their own. A pile of grubby paper in kindergarten art class is not the foundation upon which to build. They should be of good quality - not damaged - or they will not learn that condition is very important.
A big problem for the hobby with cheap, damaged common stamps is that they keep getting sent back to various charities and dumped into mixtures to be resold to collectors. It’s a vicious cycle. How many times have you purchased a mix and you absolutely know many of them are another collector’s garbage? Frustrating, isn’t it? I don’t want another collector to have to waste their time handling this trash again. Lord knows how many collectors have been through these. I do know for a fact that another collector, an older man who is a respected worldwide collector, also went through the mix, so several experienced philatelists have examined these just in case there are any concerns that I may have overlooked a valuable rarity.
These exist in massive quantities and take up resources to pay for the costs to store them. Why fill a stockbook with junk that you can’t sell or trade?
And the cost of mailing this trash is too high. I considered shipping to the Holocaust project - but it weighs over a pound and would have cost over $17! I’d be better off donating cash!
I didn’t throw away any older material or good cancels. This is all modern like Orange Franco’s and Christmas stamps and stuck together small CTOs. Trust me - absolutely uncollectible rubbish.
A Scottish collector I know points out that every crappy stamp we throw away increases the value of the existing stamps by a very small fraction of a percent - an interesting thought!
So everyone please, let’s do the hobby a favor and encourage fellow collectors to stop donating or selling garbage like this. And absolutely, please stop trying to sell them in approval books and auctions! We are COLLECTORS and these are simply, utterly uncollectible.
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"A Scottish collector I know points out that every crappy stamp we throw away increases the value of the existing stamps by a very small fraction of a percent - an interesting thought!"
That's why I incinerate every damaged stamp that comes my way at the tip of my lighted cigar!
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"And the cost of mailing this trash is too high. I considered shipping to the Holocaust project - but it weighs over a pound and would have cost over $17! I’d be better off donating cash!"
Hey Theresa, I look forward to getting that cash. No coins please!!!
BTW, we got this box in the mail today from a church that was a long-time supporter of the original HSP. They trim and sort by similar types specifically for the artwork project. Cost them $72 which I thought was horribly expensive - not sure why the government feels they need to charge so much.
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Dave - That looks like a nice, clean batch of USA definitives! Oh I would LOVE to hunt for PNCs in that batch!
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No idea what a PNC is Theresa.
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PNC = Plate Number Coil
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Ooops! Thanks for correcting that, moderator!
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Any scans of what they look like?
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Dave - I added a pic to a thread that philb started a while back. We can continue the plate number coil conversation here:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_ma ...
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Hey! isn't there a rule about each item in the approval book having a number. I see one book where this is not case.
I may be nit-picking but Geez! that's mainly why I don't list single stamps in approvals.
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carl, any chance you could point out the offending book? you can do it back channel or post here.
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Approval book Sellers please note:
The membership and moderators have voiced concern over the number of violations of approval rules, (especially #C8b) in existing approval books. (No damaged stamps may be sold in the approvals). Therefore, any damaged stamps must be removed within 21 days (3 weeks) or by April 14th. Failure to do so will result in the closure of any book in violation of this rule. Please be aware that moderators will be monitoring the books more closely for compliance with all of the rules.
The complete rules may be read here:
https://stamporama.com/forms/display_for ...
Note - To “remove” a damaged stamp, change the status of that number on the page to disabled.
Damaged stamps with a catalog value above $5.00 may be listed in the auction as long as the faults are clearly described.
Sellers are welcome to list selections of space-fillers, seconds and other damaged philatelic material in the classified ads section of the discussion board which is located here:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_ma ...
Thank you for complying with the Stamporama Sales Platform Rules.
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So glad to read this! Hoping you mods take strong action where required. Yeah, I know we sellers can occasionally miss the odd damaged stamp. I have been guilty of this. Some sellers are flagrantly and shamefully violating the listing rules. I have seen Approval books were over 40% of the stamps have obvious faults. A few rejected books will quickly get the message across to the offenders. Better for Stamporama sales and membership in the long run.
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02:56:21pm
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Nice to see that the idea presented by Philatelia of an anonymous moderator has been adopted!
May I suggest that this first post be sent out to each members email address as not all Approval Sellers may read the Discussion Board.
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"How about some other blatant violations of the rules?
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Which rule would you like me to blatantly violate?
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"Please be aware that moderators will be monitoring the books more closely for compliance with all of the rules"
@RALPH;
I think this statement covers your question.
"...ALL of the rules."
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Over the years - I probably have listed a damaged stamp. However, if selected and I notice the damage - I inform the buyer and do not include the stamp on the invoice. Sometimes the damage occurs when I remove the hinged stamp from the approval page and of course I do not include that stamp. Sometimes a stamp may be sent to a buyer that has a thin on the back that I missed and if they alert me to the issue - I give them an immediate refund and do not require the stamp to be returned. When dealing with the volume of stamps I have sold here - I do make an occasional mistake but it is never intentional. I am happy to see that the rules will be enforced against everyone and if I do something wrong I have no issue being penalized. .Steve
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I have a few stamps in my albums with thins and always make a comment above or below the stamp if there is any damage. It's part of the game and if the stamp, especially if it is rare(ish), has survived for more than 100 years then who am I to chuck it? Replace it maybe, but I have been known to keep both. I remember one of the first stamps I ever owned that was worth(?) over $10 was a stamp I picked out of a barrel in a stamps store for $0.05. It had a rounded corner but I still have that stamp mounted with the rest of my Ryukyu Island stamps and, I know this sounds very silly, but that stamp brings back good memories of the hitch hiked trip to that Halifax stamp store. As I just said in another post "collectors are a weird bunch"!
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please understand the NO DAMAGED rule applies ONLY to approval books.
you may list damaged stamps in the auction, but only if the CV of the stamp is $5 or more.
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What I do with raggedy, badly damaged, common stamps…
https://youtube.com/shorts/YDb3W1su1OM?feature=share
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"What I do with raggedy, badly damaged, common stamps"
Or you could give them to a preschooler along with a glue stick. Children are less obsessed with condition. They might actually have some fun with these colorful bits of paper. I sometimes wonder how many young children are turned off on stamp collecting by obsessive adult collectors' insistence on perfection.
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I know that collectors cringe at seeing stamps tossed, but, hfbaker, while your sentiment is understandable and very kind to think of children, I do disagree with your comment for several reasons.
First - I am NOT tossing these because of “an obsessive adult collectors insistence on perfection” I am tossing them because they are utterly uncollectible. I kept many with minor faults that are slightly less common, had cancels, etc.
I have actively made a great effort to put stamps into the hands of young collectors. Have you tried to do what you suggested? Getting kids interesting in collecting nowadays is rather difficult. I contacted various local scout troops last year about donating stamps and the response was practically nonexistent and the packets I made up for our local stamp club to give away free to kids have gone slowly. The stamps I threw away would have been boring to children anyways - mostly heads of people, blah color, dirty and musty - nothing to catch their interest. And, stamps on paper do not make for good decoupage material. Besides, by telling them to glue them onto an art project, you are teaching them that stamps have no intrinsic value. To get kids interested in stamp COLLECTING, you need to provide them with colorful commemoratives that they can claim as their own. A pile of grubby paper in kindergarten art class is not the foundation upon which to build. They should be of good quality - not damaged - or they will not learn that condition is very important.
A big problem for the hobby with cheap, damaged common stamps is that they keep getting sent back to various charities and dumped into mixtures to be resold to collectors. It’s a vicious cycle. How many times have you purchased a mix and you absolutely know many of them are another collector’s garbage? Frustrating, isn’t it? I don’t want another collector to have to waste their time handling this trash again. Lord knows how many collectors have been through these. I do know for a fact that another collector, an older man who is a respected worldwide collector, also went through the mix, so several experienced philatelists have examined these just in case there are any concerns that I may have overlooked a valuable rarity.
These exist in massive quantities and take up resources to pay for the costs to store them. Why fill a stockbook with junk that you can’t sell or trade?
And the cost of mailing this trash is too high. I considered shipping to the Holocaust project - but it weighs over a pound and would have cost over $17! I’d be better off donating cash!
I didn’t throw away any older material or good cancels. This is all modern like Orange Franco’s and Christmas stamps and stuck together small CTOs. Trust me - absolutely uncollectible rubbish.
A Scottish collector I know points out that every crappy stamp we throw away increases the value of the existing stamps by a very small fraction of a percent - an interesting thought!
So everyone please, let’s do the hobby a favor and encourage fellow collectors to stop donating or selling garbage like this. And absolutely, please stop trying to sell them in approval books and auctions! We are COLLECTORS and these are simply, utterly uncollectible.
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"A Scottish collector I know points out that every crappy stamp we throw away increases the value of the existing stamps by a very small fraction of a percent - an interesting thought!"
That's why I incinerate every damaged stamp that comes my way at the tip of my lighted cigar!
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"And the cost of mailing this trash is too high. I considered shipping to the Holocaust project - but it weighs over a pound and would have cost over $17! I’d be better off donating cash!"
Hey Theresa, I look forward to getting that cash. No coins please!!!
BTW, we got this box in the mail today from a church that was a long-time supporter of the original HSP. They trim and sort by similar types specifically for the artwork project. Cost them $72 which I thought was horribly expensive - not sure why the government feels they need to charge so much.
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Dave - That looks like a nice, clean batch of USA definitives! Oh I would LOVE to hunt for PNCs in that batch!
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No idea what a PNC is Theresa.
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PNC = Plate Number Coil
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Ooops! Thanks for correcting that, moderator!
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Any scans of what they look like?
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Dave - I added a pic to a thread that philb started a while back. We can continue the plate number coil conversation here:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_ma ...
Sorry cannot activate a link using iPad software. Apologies
Moderator Note: Activated link.
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Hey! isn't there a rule about each item in the approval book having a number. I see one book where this is not case.
I may be nit-picking but Geez! that's mainly why I don't list single stamps in approvals.
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carl, any chance you could point out the offending book? you can do it back channel or post here.
David
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